Gonna be honest.... Dante flipping to UCLA feels like a kick in the teeth. If he was going to sit for one year at Oregon, he is likely going to sit for two at UCLA, what with their Kent State transfer. Can you imagine a better mentor for the young prodigy than Bo Nix? I know I am overreacting. That's how I roll sometimes.
I feel that had Nix gone pro, Moore might have stayed w/ Oregon, with only Thompson to compete with, Nix staying, does Ty leave too? Why stay another yr? , Who else do the Ducks have???
Sore spot? My two sons are OSU graduates, my wife a Michigan. We all give each other barbs... it is just a game... By the way, you never say anything negative to get a rise from your rivals?
Stoked about Nix, bummed about Moore. However... it feels to me that moving forward, programs are going to be able to go out and get solid QB's from the portal much, much easier than recruiting great ones. It's the one position that if you dont win it outright, you don't play. And the Ducks ability to roll out the red carpet is as strong as it has ever been. Again, bummed Dante went to LA (maybe moving to the Big Ten had something to do with it as well, playing in front of family in Michigan) but I'm sure the Ducks will be fine. Hell yeah, on another year of the Bo Nix experience, he was absolutely lethal this year.
DTR staying at UCLA is one of the more remarkable things that nobody talks about. He was better off growing and staying. Most players don't have that patience.
Recruiting has become so dumb. It's all about overblown photoshoots and grandiose proclamations on social media ("That being said, I'd like to announce that...). But maybe I just can't identify with what floats the boat of a typical 18-year old. Or maybe I'm just jealous, because I secretly want a photo of myself in full uniform (heavily PhotoShopped to add laser beams and remove the midsection paunch) posing with arms crossed in front of a mountain of NIL money.
I think these things often... then realize that I am NOT who the schools are trying to recruit. The 18-year-old stars value things that you and I do not. And that's ok.
Yeah where’s my picture for being a great dad husband and provider? Well in my family that GOAT award belongs to my wife anyways. I guess I am old school and don’t quite get it but the drama is fun to watch.
Beavs don’t need no Uncle Phill $. Even Herbie understands the reason for Beavers success is Team, Coach, Community, Dedication, Loyalty and Fans. Of all the teams in Bowl games OSU Beavs were the ones having the most fun. They play because they love to play the game. That was the most enjoyable game I have watched in sometime. Thank you🙏🏿.
It wasn’t much of a game. Florida shouldn’t have even been there. I would rearrange your support factors; Coach, coaches, Team. The rest don’t count. And yes, a non contest blowout is easier on the nervous system!
Fiesta Bowl 2001 against the perennially overrated ND Irish was much the same. Notre Dame didn't belong there but that's how it goes. They got their tails whooped but good by Jonathan Smith, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, and the rest of that outstanding team. I remember being annoyed that we were stuck with an unworthy opponent - we outnumbered them in the stands by at least a 2-1 margin there as well.
This game was still fun to watch, but we should have been in a higher rated bowl against a team that was more closely aligned in ranking and skills.
What is the "little brother" crap? OSU owned Oregon for generations. It wasn't until Phil Knight that changed. That was less than 40 years ago. When PK is gone, things will get back to even ground and Oregon State, the larger school by size, will once again dominate the Ducks.
I would suggest the currant success at OSU has to do with culture, culture is not bought with money. PK's money has had a diminishing return. He bought facilities which jump started the DUCKS rise along with the right set of coaches. I see the "little brother" comment, said in jest hits a sore spot. Keep your trajectory and you can throw it back.
Beavs had a great season and everything is positive in Corvallis. I would think you would want to roll with that and not get so worked up over a comment that was not what you wanted to hear. You come across on all your posts as a real hater. Its only sports..... No team owns the other. Fact is - Ducks have 67 wins and Beavs 49 wins (10 ties) in the all time series. Hoping for competitive football for many years to come like the old Oklahoma - Nebraska games or Michigan- Ohio State rivalries.
LOL!! Not a hater at all. This is just good old Ducks-Beavers rivalry. Did you read John's post a month ago when he talked about the 1911 game being moved to neutral ground in Albany because the rivalry was so intense that fights were breaking out everywhere? The "Little Brother" thing has been played for years and is intentionally insulting. There is nothing true about it, so it deserves getting called out
Its just Oregon being Oregon. The older, larger, better school is "little brother". Its like calling the huge guy tiny. Oregon is like the college equivalent of Will Farrell's brother from step brothers, crossed with the "white guy" from the pretty fly for a white guy music video.
You don't think Oregon State, with its computer science, engineering and BA programs, doesn't have wealthy donors? They just aren't as personally motivated as Phil, who was an athlete at Oregon. The OSU donors will show up, probably already are, to keep things rolling. Maybe HP wants a piece of the action. Who knows what billionaires the robotics program creates.
yeah, we do. people underestimate how much OSU could raise. The problem is it would need to come from more places and takes more work. NIKE is on another level, even above Nvidia which OSU has, and its a lot easier when you have one MAJOR donor who is all in. Not only does OSU have engineering, dont forget we have one of the best construction management programs. Some of those construction companies have some deep pockets too.
Yep....my younger brother worked for CH2M for 25 years and did very well when they sold out to Jacobs Engineering. There is a lot of CH2M money floating around Corvallis.
I agree that Bo coming back is a huge get but in looking to the future I hope we have some other QBs wanted to wear the green and yellow as well. I guess Bo knows and he willingness to return will make him son of Oregon.
There are a lot of interesting comments, but I see a lot of immature responses, by adults I presume. Time will tell. There are no guarantees in life. The Beavers had a good season, but that doesn't mean they will play for a Pac 12 championship. I am a Duck, but know that one injury to a quarterback can end any team's season. Thanks, John for your analysis and your compassion. It is just a game and life is short. Fans need to not take themselves too seriously.
First, JC, reaching out to that artist for interview, wonderfully old school. These days many writers just riff.
Second, in the era of transfers and NIL, what does a top recruiting class mean? A better predictor would be an amalgamation of recruits and transfers for the next season. Oregon’s rep with QBs is so high that they could pluck proven talents from other programs. Plus--as Oregon State showed this year--if you have great coaches, two and three stars are just fine.
Which is why Lanning needs to do something to change his D for next year. He had a half dozen draft picks on D and it crumbled. Five star recruits won’t fix that.
I am so impressed with the talent out there! The graphic artist, the photographers, the writers, the Cougar nurse fan and husband. How wonderful that you bring to us these incredible people and share their work, stories, AND we get a peek at their lives. No transfer portal, no NIL.
I feel that I would not have been a part of this in any other way than through the Bald Faced Truth.
Beavs lost a great graphic artist a few years ago -- moved to Georgia to live closer to family. He's the one who designed the tree-ring numbers on uniforms. So talented. I wonder how he's doing.
Ducks are scrambling to "salvage" a recruiting class currently ranked 14th.
Duck fan prognosis=The wheels are coming off!!
Beavers are scraping together a recruiting class ranked 46th.
Beaver fan prognosis=We'll be the league champions next season!!
I live in Texas. And as you might have heard Football, even college, is pretty popular here. But there isn't anything quite like college fans in the state of Oregon.
There is definitely something "next level" about Oregon St/Oregon fans. I graduated 35 years ago from OSU and can tell you it never lessens and only grows.
My husband is a Minnesota grad and he is supportive, but does not "live" his rivalry like we do with the ducks.
John , could you do a story on how the NIL works in practice? Does the coach negotiate or a third party? Does the athlete negotiate or a third party ? How is the final price arrived at? Can you see a future where the NiL money is made public ?
School, including coaches, is not supposed to have anything to do with it. In reality sounds like that’s being abused with coaches directing NIL collectives and directly offering to players on other teams. WSU coach has accused this.
Yeah the "how it should work" or how it was intended to vs "how its working" would be interesting. I don't really see much difference between the old, leave a bag of money when you walk away and this, only the bag is bigger and goes right into their bank accounts.
I just hope, they get some business and marketing exposure experience out of it to help them with life, and not just a duffle bag of cash.
Moore is down the Oregon Fawcett but Nix scoring what has to be a nice NIL payday helps keep the well from running dry.
CFB today is not about taking in unproven high star players (see, with no disrespect, Ty Thompson) but recruiting the portal for guys who have played ball. and re-recruiting guys who could have transferred or gone pro.
CFB today is NFL Lite (and NIL Large) and experienced free agent QBs in the NFL are more wanted, for the most part, than youngsters out of college.
Already UCLA's QB recruit from Kent State, Scheen, is IMO more likely to start for the Bruins in 2023 than is Moore.
But the B1G is a big draw and will not be easy to recruit against.
Best of luck to Moore. I see UCLA being the Minnesota of B1G football at best.
PS - Hats off to Young and Anderson for playing, no doubt against agent wishes, in the Sugar Bowl for Alabama.. This makes Utah's Phillips and Kincaid opting out of the Rose Bowl, as is their right, making the day after New Years' not so great for Pac-12 fans.
Ball out vs SC in the champ game and cost the conference $2M but then opt out? Stinks!
UCLA certainly has a much higher potential ceiling with geography, climate, and recruiting grounds as major pluses over Minn. I’m guessing they will take football more seriously now and wind up in the tier below OSU, UM, USC, and PSU.
Agreed...I see UCLA in the 2nd tier of the B1G. There are only a few teams in the bottom tier: Rutgers, Indiana and now, Northwestern, which 10-15 years had a strong program pre-portal (the same issues with high academic standards that screws Cal and Stanford). It remains to be seen if USC is really in the top level of the B1G. They don't go head to head enough to know if USC is really competitive with Ohio State and Michigan. Both those teams historically have much better defenses than USC
Agree....living in Minnesota for 30+ years and following the Gophers closely all that time, they are today about where UCLA is, a 20th-40th type of program. Their coach, PJ Fleck, is entertaining but not as high quality as JS. Fleck and Chip Kelly have a lot in common in terms of rah-rah. They both get a handful of 4-stars and 1 or 2 5s. The B1G is a tough conference and it is very hard to get 10 wins. The Beavs did it in the Pac-12, but don't know if they would in the B1G where every year you get 2 of 3 of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. You also have your Rivalries of Iowa and Wisconsin to win, rarely sweeping those two. It is very hard to run that table. And there is always an Michigan State, Illinois, Wisconsin or Purdue to pop up and get you, along with Nebraska. There are no Coloradoes, Cals, Stanfords or the Arizona schools (well, Northwestern seems to be having the same issue as Stanford with the Portal and eligibility and Rutgers and Maryland will never have a top program). Good comparison
Maybe. But the Top 3 in B1G beat Pac-12 teams almost every time they play. Mich and Ohio State are #2 and #3 (but neither can beat Georgia this year). I agree the next tier, which includes the Gophers, Hawkeyes, Boilermakers, Huskers, MSU Trojans and Badgers are not as dominant and the Ducks or Beavs can take them any given year.
Both of those players have been battling significant injuries. If they could go without significant risk they would have gone. I have met Clark.
He is a fine young man full of faith, integrity and love. The same can be said for Dalton. I have very good friends who have played at big D1 programs and in the NFL. One thing that has never been revealed is the amount of players that have significant surgeries. Being a high school offensive line coach at a very successful SoCall program I am mortified at the injuries and pain these young men go thru. Trust me.
Breaking more bones and more ligament damage is not worth it.
Kincaid was really hurt in the Championship game. Clark has been playing hurt for a while. These guys gave it their all for Utah. Have you ever played? I broke my ankle, tore my meniscus and had several concussions after playing 6 years and I was not a D1 player. I still have scars and pain and a bad back. I say salute those kids and thank them, not criticize them. Thor bodies are their future.
The other thing about both CP3 and Kincaid is that they're both projected as late 1st/early 2nd RD picks (probably depending on how they do at the combine). That's a lot of money on the table that could disappear if they suffer a major injury in the Rose Bowl. As a Miami guy before going to the University of Utah, I saw it happen twice to guys that were projected Top 10 draft picks in the draft (Melvin Bratton and Willis McGahee). They both tore ACLs in their prospective bowl games (admittedly, they were playing for the NC) and their draft value dropped into an elevator shaft.
Yet 1stt round draft picks Young and Anderson are both playing for Bama in a 'meaningless' Sugar Bowl.
I don't remember Bratton's injury but I believe McGahee was injured in the BCS champ game? You think the guy should have sat out the champ game?
If I am healthy I am playing. I feel like these guys owe this to their teammates. If it was the Sun Bowl that's 1 thing but this is the ROSE BOWL.
Both were healthy enough to take down SC after SC played UCLA and Notre Dame back to back while the Utes finished the regular season with a lay up against CU.
Caleb Williams could have gone to the bench but he gutted it out for 4 quarters.
Healthy enough to play in the champ game and cost the conference $2M but not healthy enough to play @ 30 days later in the Rose Bowl? OK.
I returned from a broken leg late in my junior year to captain my HS football team the next year and I also played D3 football in college.
We stunk in football but I also played hockey. I was a mediocre player but we won 2 D3 titles in the 3 years I was on the varsity.
No freshman eligibility back in the day.
If a guy is hurt he's hurt, I get it. But I think Phillips is sitting to stay healthy for the draft? I did not see Kincaid significantly dinged up in the champ game but as you are close to the program I more than respect your analysis.
DuX will have to beat the Beavers to remain in the mix for a Pac 12 Championship ; Beavers have their number ...,Nix is good but was Nixxed in the Civil War . Doubtful with OSU’s returning All Pac 12 Roster if the DuX can beat OSU next year ! Very doubtful !....UO will always and forever be Lil ‘bro....
OSU is 7 years OLDER , your practice field is named AFTER an OSU Beaver , your stadium is named AFTER an OSU Beaver , AND your stadium announcer is an OSU Beaver Alumn.... OSU OWNS the UO DuX...!
At least you got some of the facts correct unlike past posts! You are right Autzen, Brooks and Essig all left Corvallis. It is a lot like the NIL of today, but at that point in their life they chose an opportunity for success and moved on. Fact is - Ducks have 67 wins and Beavs 49 wins (10 ties) in the all time series
Doing a little reading on the history of U of O and OSU today. Found out that when the Eugene school was first created by the state in 1872, the Eugene school was called Oregon State University! Love it. It wasn't until many years later that Oregon Agricultural College got the name from U of O. They truly are sibling schools. Oregon State founded in 1868 and so a few years older.
Not surprising that Moore would back out at Oregon with the OC change and Nix sticking around. As a Beavs fan I have mixed emotions about Nix staying, but I will say it’s good for the PAC, and will make for a fun season next year with all these top tier QB’s around. (And hopefully OSU finds one as well!)
Moore going to UCLA is interesting. I think when they move to the Big10 it’s not going to be a fun place to play. UCLA will likely get their teeth kicked in every week.
Interesting info about Hayes Fawcett. I’ve seen his stuff around for a few years and always wondered what his story was and who he was.
Gonna be honest.... Dante flipping to UCLA feels like a kick in the teeth. If he was going to sit for one year at Oregon, he is likely going to sit for two at UCLA, what with their Kent State transfer. Can you imagine a better mentor for the young prodigy than Bo Nix? I know I am overreacting. That's how I roll sometimes.
I'm not sure these days that anyone thinks about sitting...
I feel that had Nix gone pro, Moore might have stayed w/ Oregon, with only Thompson to compete with, Nix staying, does Ty leave too? Why stay another yr? , Who else do the Ducks have???
RE-recruiting a QB who has been in the mix is far more important than finding from HS the next Nix.
Nah, you don't want anything from someone who isn't 100% in.
I say good luck!
Sore spot? My two sons are OSU graduates, my wife a Michigan. We all give each other barbs... it is just a game... By the way, you never say anything negative to get a rise from your rivals?
Stoked about Nix, bummed about Moore. However... it feels to me that moving forward, programs are going to be able to go out and get solid QB's from the portal much, much easier than recruiting great ones. It's the one position that if you dont win it outright, you don't play. And the Ducks ability to roll out the red carpet is as strong as it has ever been. Again, bummed Dante went to LA (maybe moving to the Big Ten had something to do with it as well, playing in front of family in Michigan) but I'm sure the Ducks will be fine. Hell yeah, on another year of the Bo Nix experience, he was absolutely lethal this year.
Agree that the portal will be the answer. Where will Moore be in 2-3 years?
Ask JT Daniels?
Ask DTR
DTR staying at UCLA is one of the more remarkable things that nobody talks about. He was better off growing and staying. Most players don't have that patience.
Recruiting has become so dumb. It's all about overblown photoshoots and grandiose proclamations on social media ("That being said, I'd like to announce that...). But maybe I just can't identify with what floats the boat of a typical 18-year old. Or maybe I'm just jealous, because I secretly want a photo of myself in full uniform (heavily PhotoShopped to add laser beams and remove the midsection paunch) posing with arms crossed in front of a mountain of NIL money.
I think these things often... then realize that I am NOT who the schools are trying to recruit. The 18-year-old stars value things that you and I do not. And that's ok.
Yeah where’s my picture for being a great dad husband and provider? Well in my family that GOAT award belongs to my wife anyways. I guess I am old school and don’t quite get it but the drama is fun to watch.
Must give a shout out to the Beavers. Little brother beat us and went on to represent the PAC with authority. Great job Beaves!!
That Little Brother stuff is so insulting and unnecessary. Don't be that guy.
I do not disagree with you but when it comes to the next CFB contraction Oregon is in the mix, deservedly or not, than is Oregon State.
Far more eyeballs were last season and since the Chipper showed up are on the Ducks and not the Beavs.
This is no way intended to diss on OR ST but simply the facts.
"Little brother" beat the Ducks 2 of the last 3. Wonder what "little brother" could do with "Uncle Phil" kind of NIL money. 🤔
Beavs don’t need no Uncle Phill $. Even Herbie understands the reason for Beavers success is Team, Coach, Community, Dedication, Loyalty and Fans. Of all the teams in Bowl games OSU Beavs were the ones having the most fun. They play because they love to play the game. That was the most enjoyable game I have watched in sometime. Thank you🙏🏿.
Only thing missing was Jack the Hammer MVP 🦫
It wasn’t much of a game. Florida shouldn’t have even been there. I would rearrange your support factors; Coach, coaches, Team. The rest don’t count. And yes, a non contest blowout is easier on the nervous system!
Fiesta Bowl 2001 against the perennially overrated ND Irish was much the same. Notre Dame didn't belong there but that's how it goes. They got their tails whooped but good by Jonathan Smith, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadeh, and the rest of that outstanding team. I remember being annoyed that we were stuck with an unworthy opponent - we outnumbered them in the stands by at least a 2-1 margin there as well.
This game was still fun to watch, but we should have been in a higher rated bowl against a team that was more closely aligned in ranking and skills.
Uncle Phil’s UofO athletic trust fund doesn’t matter if Coach Lanning keeps forgetting to punt… 😂
And for ever and always.. that question while Mr. Smith is head coach will always be asked. Sad but true...
What is the "little brother" crap? OSU owned Oregon for generations. It wasn't until Phil Knight that changed. That was less than 40 years ago. When PK is gone, things will get back to even ground and Oregon State, the larger school by size, will once again dominate the Ducks.
I would suggest the currant success at OSU has to do with culture, culture is not bought with money. PK's money has had a diminishing return. He bought facilities which jump started the DUCKS rise along with the right set of coaches. I see the "little brother" comment, said in jest hits a sore spot. Keep your trajectory and you can throw it back.
Beavs had a great season and everything is positive in Corvallis. I would think you would want to roll with that and not get so worked up over a comment that was not what you wanted to hear. You come across on all your posts as a real hater. Its only sports..... No team owns the other. Fact is - Ducks have 67 wins and Beavs 49 wins (10 ties) in the all time series. Hoping for competitive football for many years to come like the old Oklahoma - Nebraska games or Michigan- Ohio State rivalries.
LOL!! Not a hater at all. This is just good old Ducks-Beavers rivalry. Did you read John's post a month ago when he talked about the 1911 game being moved to neutral ground in Albany because the rivalry was so intense that fights were breaking out everywhere? The "Little Brother" thing has been played for years and is intentionally insulting. There is nothing true about it, so it deserves getting called out
Its just Oregon being Oregon. The older, larger, better school is "little brother". Its like calling the huge guy tiny. Oregon is like the college equivalent of Will Farrell's brother from step brothers, crossed with the "white guy" from the pretty fly for a white guy music video.
Trust fund, baby. And other big donors.
You don't think Oregon State, with its computer science, engineering and BA programs, doesn't have wealthy donors? They just aren't as personally motivated as Phil, who was an athlete at Oregon. The OSU donors will show up, probably already are, to keep things rolling. Maybe HP wants a piece of the action. Who knows what billionaires the robotics program creates.
Not dissing OSU. General observation.
yeah, we do. people underestimate how much OSU could raise. The problem is it would need to come from more places and takes more work. NIKE is on another level, even above Nvidia which OSU has, and its a lot easier when you have one MAJOR donor who is all in. Not only does OSU have engineering, dont forget we have one of the best construction management programs. Some of those construction companies have some deep pockets too.
Yep....my younger brother worked for CH2M for 25 years and did very well when they sold out to Jacobs Engineering. There is a lot of CH2M money floating around Corvallis.
I didn't realize that CH2M sold -- so much has changed since I was there in the 80's.
Getting Bo back is great but might not matter if Oregon can't make big changes in the Defense both on the field and coaching.
Agree... Oregon will have to play better D.
SPOT ON!
If anything was disappointing about the Ducks last season it was no D on defense.
I agree that Bo coming back is a huge get but in looking to the future I hope we have some other QBs wanted to wear the green and yellow as well. I guess Bo knows and he willingness to return will make him son of Oregon.
I think he also probably got $$ paid.
John could you explain how he would get paid $$? I’m not joking. I don’t seem go be up to speed on what is going on with money snd players?
New rules allow players to capitalize on their Name, Image and Likeness (NIL). Basically, endorsements and sponsorships.
Google info about “Name Image Likeness” (NIL), there is bunch of info about it. It’s emerging as a big part of college sports, especially football.
There are a lot of interesting comments, but I see a lot of immature responses, by adults I presume. Time will tell. There are no guarantees in life. The Beavers had a good season, but that doesn't mean they will play for a Pac 12 championship. I am a Duck, but know that one injury to a quarterback can end any team's season. Thanks, John for your analysis and your compassion. It is just a game and life is short. Fans need to not take themselves too seriously.
First, JC, reaching out to that artist for interview, wonderfully old school. These days many writers just riff.
Second, in the era of transfers and NIL, what does a top recruiting class mean? A better predictor would be an amalgamation of recruits and transfers for the next season. Oregon’s rep with QBs is so high that they could pluck proven talents from other programs. Plus--as Oregon State showed this year--if you have great coaches, two and three stars are just fine.
Which is why Lanning needs to do something to change his D for next year. He had a half dozen draft picks on D and it crumbled. Five star recruits won’t fix that.
Thanks. I was curious. Figured others would be too. Had an interesting talk with the kid.
247 Sports has a ranking that includes recruits and transfers. It also has a ranking of strength of roster.
I am so impressed with the talent out there! The graphic artist, the photographers, the writers, the Cougar nurse fan and husband. How wonderful that you bring to us these incredible people and share their work, stories, AND we get a peek at their lives. No transfer portal, no NIL.
I feel that I would not have been a part of this in any other way than through the Bald Faced Truth.
Thank you for this wonderful journey.
A lot of talented people out there. Fun to talk with the kid and learn about his journey.
Beavs lost a great graphic artist a few years ago -- moved to Georgia to live closer to family. He's the one who designed the tree-ring numbers on uniforms. So talented. I wonder how he's doing.
Ducks are scrambling to "salvage" a recruiting class currently ranked 14th.
Duck fan prognosis=The wheels are coming off!!
Beavers are scraping together a recruiting class ranked 46th.
Beaver fan prognosis=We'll be the league champions next season!!
I live in Texas. And as you might have heard Football, even college, is pretty popular here. But there isn't anything quite like college fans in the state of Oregon.
Go Ducks!!!
There is definitely something "next level" about Oregon St/Oregon fans. I graduated 35 years ago from OSU and can tell you it never lessens and only grows.
My husband is a Minnesota grad and he is supportive, but does not "live" his rivalry like we do with the ducks.
Go Beavs
When I moved to Texas, I fully expected to adopt and follow a Texas college team. Didn't happen. I am as tuned into Pac football as ever.
Go Ducks!!!
John , could you do a story on how the NIL works in practice? Does the coach negotiate or a third party? Does the athlete negotiate or a third party ? How is the final price arrived at? Can you see a future where the NiL money is made public ?
School, including coaches, is not supposed to have anything to do with it. In reality sounds like that’s being abused with coaches directing NIL collectives and directly offering to players on other teams. WSU coach has accused this.
Ask the Arizona HC who just lost 3 starters to USC. Tough to build a program when you cannot match the NIL $.
Obviously tampering is going on but the NCAA post the Supreme Court white wash is toothless
Yeah the "how it should work" or how it was intended to vs "how its working" would be interesting. I don't really see much difference between the old, leave a bag of money when you walk away and this, only the bag is bigger and goes right into their bank accounts.
I just hope, they get some business and marketing exposure experience out of it to help them with life, and not just a duffle bag of cash.
Great take. IMO until a player's eligibility has expired the money should be put in trust.
What can go wrong with handing teenagers reams of money?
Moore is down the Oregon Fawcett but Nix scoring what has to be a nice NIL payday helps keep the well from running dry.
CFB today is not about taking in unproven high star players (see, with no disrespect, Ty Thompson) but recruiting the portal for guys who have played ball. and re-recruiting guys who could have transferred or gone pro.
CFB today is NFL Lite (and NIL Large) and experienced free agent QBs in the NFL are more wanted, for the most part, than youngsters out of college.
Already UCLA's QB recruit from Kent State, Scheen, is IMO more likely to start for the Bruins in 2023 than is Moore.
But the B1G is a big draw and will not be easy to recruit against.
Best of luck to Moore. I see UCLA being the Minnesota of B1G football at best.
PS - Hats off to Young and Anderson for playing, no doubt against agent wishes, in the Sugar Bowl for Alabama.. This makes Utah's Phillips and Kincaid opting out of the Rose Bowl, as is their right, making the day after New Years' not so great for Pac-12 fans.
Ball out vs SC in the champ game and cost the conference $2M but then opt out? Stinks!
UCLA certainly has a much higher potential ceiling with geography, climate, and recruiting grounds as major pluses over Minn. I’m guessing they will take football more seriously now and wind up in the tier below OSU, UM, USC, and PSU.
Agreed...I see UCLA in the 2nd tier of the B1G. There are only a few teams in the bottom tier: Rutgers, Indiana and now, Northwestern, which 10-15 years had a strong program pre-portal (the same issues with high academic standards that screws Cal and Stanford). It remains to be seen if USC is really in the top level of the B1G. They don't go head to head enough to know if USC is really competitive with Ohio State and Michigan. Both those teams historically have much better defenses than USC
USC has traditionally won Rose Bowls against Big 10 teams. I think they will be fine if that defence improves.
Agree....living in Minnesota for 30+ years and following the Gophers closely all that time, they are today about where UCLA is, a 20th-40th type of program. Their coach, PJ Fleck, is entertaining but not as high quality as JS. Fleck and Chip Kelly have a lot in common in terms of rah-rah. They both get a handful of 4-stars and 1 or 2 5s. The B1G is a tough conference and it is very hard to get 10 wins. The Beavs did it in the Pac-12, but don't know if they would in the B1G where every year you get 2 of 3 of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. You also have your Rivalries of Iowa and Wisconsin to win, rarely sweeping those two. It is very hard to run that table. And there is always an Michigan State, Illinois, Wisconsin or Purdue to pop up and get you, along with Nebraska. There are no Coloradoes, Cals, Stanfords or the Arizona schools (well, Northwestern seems to be having the same issue as Stanford with the Portal and eligibility and Rutgers and Maryland will never have a top program). Good comparison
Great take. But the B1G has 3 teams ranked in the final PO CT poll and the Pac-12 had 6 teams ranked.
I think the the PO will expose, as the CBB tourney has exposed, how overrated the B1G is simply because it's the B1G.
Maybe. But the Top 3 in B1G beat Pac-12 teams almost every time they play. Mich and Ohio State are #2 and #3 (but neither can beat Georgia this year). I agree the next tier, which includes the Gophers, Hawkeyes, Boilermakers, Huskers, MSU Trojans and Badgers are not as dominant and the Ducks or Beavs can take them any given year.
What would you call Oregon's victory at the Horseshoe last year? Just plain luck?
Let’s go UTES! That would make the PAC really great next year!!!
Ed, not happy that Phillips and Kincaid have opted out of THE ROSE BOWL!
But I do believe that Utah will defeat Florida next season in SLC.
UF players learned to fasten seat belt and raise tray table when the Gators came west to lose vs the Beavs.
As a Ducks fan I am not happy the Oregon's big OOC opponents for the next 6 seasons are B 12 teams. Meanwhile, Wisconsin trips to Pullman.
Both of those players have been battling significant injuries. If they could go without significant risk they would have gone. I have met Clark.
He is a fine young man full of faith, integrity and love. The same can be said for Dalton. I have very good friends who have played at big D1 programs and in the NFL. One thing that has never been revealed is the amount of players that have significant surgeries. Being a high school offensive line coach at a very successful SoCall program I am mortified at the injuries and pain these young men go thru. Trust me.
These kids deserve a break.
I get your point but they were both good to go in a 13th conference champ game but not good to go nearly a month later in THE ROSE BOWL?
Breaking more bones and more ligament damage is not worth it.
Kincaid was really hurt in the Championship game. Clark has been playing hurt for a while. These guys gave it their all for Utah. Have you ever played? I broke my ankle, tore my meniscus and had several concussions after playing 6 years and I was not a D1 player. I still have scars and pain and a bad back. I say salute those kids and thank them, not criticize them. Thor bodies are their future.
The other thing about both CP3 and Kincaid is that they're both projected as late 1st/early 2nd RD picks (probably depending on how they do at the combine). That's a lot of money on the table that could disappear if they suffer a major injury in the Rose Bowl. As a Miami guy before going to the University of Utah, I saw it happen twice to guys that were projected Top 10 draft picks in the draft (Melvin Bratton and Willis McGahee). They both tore ACLs in their prospective bowl games (admittedly, they were playing for the NC) and their draft value dropped into an elevator shaft.
Yet 1stt round draft picks Young and Anderson are both playing for Bama in a 'meaningless' Sugar Bowl.
I don't remember Bratton's injury but I believe McGahee was injured in the BCS champ game? You think the guy should have sat out the champ game?
If I am healthy I am playing. I feel like these guys owe this to their teammates. If it was the Sun Bowl that's 1 thing but this is the ROSE BOWL.
Both were healthy enough to take down SC after SC played UCLA and Notre Dame back to back while the Utes finished the regular season with a lay up against CU.
Caleb Williams could have gone to the bench but he gutted it out for 4 quarters.
Healthy enough to play in the champ game and cost the conference $2M but not healthy enough to play @ 30 days later in the Rose Bowl? OK.
Amen. And I bet their injuries are way more severe than we know. The list of surgeries at the end of every football season is staggering
I returned from a broken leg late in my junior year to captain my HS football team the next year and I also played D3 football in college.
We stunk in football but I also played hockey. I was a mediocre player but we won 2 D3 titles in the 3 years I was on the varsity.
No freshman eligibility back in the day.
If a guy is hurt he's hurt, I get it. But I think Phillips is sitting to stay healthy for the draft? I did not see Kincaid significantly dinged up in the champ game but as you are close to the program I more than respect your analysis.
DuX will have to beat the Beavers to remain in the mix for a Pac 12 Championship ; Beavers have their number ...,Nix is good but was Nixxed in the Civil War . Doubtful with OSU’s returning All Pac 12 Roster if the DuX can beat OSU next year ! Very doubtful !....UO will always and forever be Lil ‘bro....
OSU is 7 years OLDER , your practice field is named AFTER an OSU Beaver , your stadium is named AFTER an OSU Beaver , AND your stadium announcer is an OSU Beaver Alumn.... OSU OWNS the UO DuX...!
Always have and forever will ! Go Beavers !,,,,
Rand Wintermute
‘67 OSU GiantKiller Alumn
At least you got some of the facts correct unlike past posts! You are right Autzen, Brooks and Essig all left Corvallis. It is a lot like the NIL of today, but at that point in their life they chose an opportunity for success and moved on. Fact is - Ducks have 67 wins and Beavs 49 wins (10 ties) in the all time series
'Have their number? Not if you look at the number.
Doing a little reading on the history of U of O and OSU today. Found out that when the Eugene school was first created by the state in 1872, the Eugene school was called Oregon State University! Love it. It wasn't until many years later that Oregon Agricultural College got the name from U of O. They truly are sibling schools. Oregon State founded in 1868 and so a few years older.
Not surprising that Moore would back out at Oregon with the OC change and Nix sticking around. As a Beavs fan I have mixed emotions about Nix staying, but I will say it’s good for the PAC, and will make for a fun season next year with all these top tier QB’s around. (And hopefully OSU finds one as well!)
Moore going to UCLA is interesting. I think when they move to the Big10 it’s not going to be a fun place to play. UCLA will likely get their teeth kicked in every week.
Interesting info about Hayes Fawcett. I’ve seen his stuff around for a few years and always wondered what his story was and who he was.
Nix staying is a terrific re-recruiting, NIL+ for the Ducks.
The Pac next season has many the terrific QB coming back.