It was no more Oregon and Washington's responsibility to stay to hold the conference together than it was Smith's to stay and hold Oregon State together.
Blaming people for protecting themselves in hard times is ridiculous.
Oregon and Washington knew that trying to headline a subscription based conference on a streaming only deal wasn't going to go well and looked out for their own futures. Blaming them for the circumstances others caused is unfair.
Yes, well stated. Unfortunately Michael and many others on here are so bitter and jealous they can't see this truth. I feel terrible for Beaver Nation. But feeling bad for them doesn't make your statements not true.
The fans aren't the ones who made the decision to move to the Big 10. As others have noted, it was a business decision, just as Smith's move to MSU was a business decision. Personally I'm not a fan of the move and as a Pac8-10-12 fan of over 40 years, I'm sad at the demise of the conference but I understand why Oregon and the other schools made their move. Too bad you don't see the big picture.
In reality, though, what is the big picture? TheyтАЩre gaining in footbal but what will they be expending in other sports? Where are the projections of the net gain? At the end of the day, I suspect it will be a very small amount relative to the TOTAL revenue budget of these large universities. Worth it тАФ remains to be seen?
Saying stupid things to the very people you're kicking while they're down like "sorry you don't see the big picture" is not only stupid, but completely callous. lol
It's impossible for me to refute arguments I haven't made, i.e. your strawman argument. I never said the fans made the decisions. But the fans sure acting like fools running around trying to defend being on the wrong side.
I sure hope you have fun next year figuring out who to dump on in your new conference. Rutgers? Northwestern? Indiana? Maryland?
Truly a naive response. Smith did what was in his best interests and so did all the other schools give the fiasco they were presented with. College athletics are not an altruistic endeavor. It's a business.
Boy do you have inverted priorities Larry. How old are you? I've noticed over the years that those who justify choices with, "It's business." are lacking experience and seasoning. Or else have never had to take leadership enough to learn what is truly most important..
I'm old enough to know that your response is naive. Some endeavors are altruistic where other considerations control. College athletics today isn't one of them, no matter how we wish it was.
I'm sure it's comforting, albeit rather lazy, to denigrate your already hated in state rival and point fingers everywhere but home, than actually taking time to understand the multiple layers of nuance and moving parts over several years that led to the conference imploding.
For example OSU's very own former president Ed Ray, who was one of the most vocal and chief enablers of failed commissioner Larry Scott and his disastrous (non)leadership.
There are many who are implicit in this mess. Falsely dumping the blame on the program you already despise to keep your conscience clear simply ignores reality.
LOL... I investigate aviation accidents for a living, literally my job to look at root causes and ask what were contributing, non contributing, contributing to the severity, and other factors.
If I were to map out the downfall of the Pac12, Oregon and UW 100% fall into the contributing category.
No false dumping or any other silly nuances you want to use when the information is available that on the morning of Aug 4th every other school was sitting on zoom waiting to begrudgingly approve a grant of rights for the sake of keeping the conference going, and UW and Oregon don't show up on time and there's rumors on the internet that they're going to the Big 10.
I'm sorry that facts bother you. Embrace that Oregon and UW are literally villains in this case, or just keeping making your excuses for everyone to see right through them.
Again, conveniently ignoring virtually everything while cherry picking what you want the narrative to be.
You're absolutely correct about the morning of August 4th, as if that morning was the only pretext to the conference' demise. Pretty narrow look at a situation that was evolving for years, don't you think?
I said there were many who were implicit in this mess and yes, Oregon and Washington contributed. To say they and they alone are the only reason the conference isn't whole is disingenuous.
I don't have a problem having Oregon and Washington being villains. I do have a problem you don't or won't recognize the many other villains who contributed to this debacle, including the former OSU president.
Yep, hours before the approval UW, Arizona, and UO get offers of a much better deal relative to visibility for their programs and money to support them. They did what they did for the interests of their schools....just as USC, UCLA and Colorado had done.
Oregon and UW literally don't get a full share until 2029 of big10 money. They screwed everyone to keep the roughly the same net revenue until that point. Colorado's revenue pans out to be about the same as well.....
Also, not true regarding Arizona. Bobby Robbins was ready to stay put in the Pac12 despite their Big12 overture if UW and Oregon hadn't left. You can look up Brett McMurphy's tweet at 6:45am on August 4th regarding that.
Or.... you can just keep making these blind excuses rather than accepting that UW and Oregon are villains in the demise of the Pac12.
Read the Arizona newspapers. Arizona went into the meeting with a Big12 deal. They told the Big12 commissioner we want to wait to see what Commissioner K brings. If it isn't as good, we'll join the Big12. K didn't bring it. Cats immediately called Yormark. It wasn't UW/UO cold feet. It was UA making their own decision.
At the eleventh hour, UW and Oregon could've kept the conference together and they didn't.
They're truly the worst of the worst for putting the finishing blow on conference and I hope nothing but awful things for their future.
It was no more Oregon and Washington's responsibility to stay to hold the conference together than it was Smith's to stay and hold Oregon State together.
Blaming people for protecting themselves in hard times is ridiculous.
Oregon and Washington knew that trying to headline a subscription based conference on a streaming only deal wasn't going to go well and looked out for their own futures. Blaming them for the circumstances others caused is unfair.
Yes, well stated. Unfortunately Michael and many others on here are so bitter and jealous they can't see this truth. I feel terrible for Beaver Nation. But feeling bad for them doesn't make your statements not true.
Lol. These excuses are hilarious. Protect themselves from what? Not having as big of a scrooge mccduck money bin? GTFO with these dumb excuses.
I can't wait for UW and Oregon fans to complain in a couple years when their new conference isn't as great as they thought it'd be.
Who is literally going to tune in for these games versus Indiana... Northwestern, Rutgers, Maryland...? Trash football, and other trash sports.
The fans aren't the ones who made the decision to move to the Big 10. As others have noted, it was a business decision, just as Smith's move to MSU was a business decision. Personally I'm not a fan of the move and as a Pac8-10-12 fan of over 40 years, I'm sad at the demise of the conference but I understand why Oregon and the other schools made their move. Too bad you don't see the big picture.
In reality, though, what is the big picture? TheyтАЩre gaining in footbal but what will they be expending in other sports? Where are the projections of the net gain? At the end of the day, I suspect it will be a very small amount relative to the TOTAL revenue budget of these large universities. Worth it тАФ remains to be seen?
Saying stupid things to the very people you're kicking while they're down like "sorry you don't see the big picture" is not only stupid, but completely callous. lol
It's impossible for me to refute arguments I haven't made, i.e. your strawman argument. I never said the fans made the decisions. But the fans sure acting like fools running around trying to defend being on the wrong side.
I sure hope you have fun next year figuring out who to dump on in your new conference. Rutgers? Northwestern? Indiana? Maryland?
Keep making those excuses for being the villains.
Yeah, the prudent thing for Oregon leadership would have been to risk their own colleges future to save another. ЁЯдкЁЯдкЁЯдк
Oh yeah... they were in such dire straits with all their Nike money. I get that you're trolling, or possibly just completely inept.
WeтАЩre talking football here oh bright one.ЁЯдб
You wouldn't know football talk from a hole in the ground. Nice picture of yourself you posted.
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Truly a naive response. Smith did what was in his best interests and so did all the other schools give the fiasco they were presented with. College athletics are not an altruistic endeavor. It's a business.
The тАЬfiascoтАЭthey were presented should be changed to the fiasco that was тАЬcreatedтАЭ by the two тАЬno showsтАЭ at the infamous Friday AM meeting
Boy do you have inverted priorities Larry. How old are you? I've noticed over the years that those who justify choices with, "It's business." are lacking experience and seasoning. Or else have never had to take leadership enough to learn what is truly most important..
I'm old enough to know that your response is naive. Some endeavors are altruistic where other considerations control. College athletics today isn't one of them, no matter how we wish it was.
It's possible to play life, business, and athletics, as a win/win game.
I'm sure it's comforting, albeit rather lazy, to denigrate your already hated in state rival and point fingers everywhere but home, than actually taking time to understand the multiple layers of nuance and moving parts over several years that led to the conference imploding.
For example OSU's very own former president Ed Ray, who was one of the most vocal and chief enablers of failed commissioner Larry Scott and his disastrous (non)leadership.
There are many who are implicit in this mess. Falsely dumping the blame on the program you already despise to keep your conscience clear simply ignores reality.
LOL... I investigate aviation accidents for a living, literally my job to look at root causes and ask what were contributing, non contributing, contributing to the severity, and other factors.
If I were to map out the downfall of the Pac12, Oregon and UW 100% fall into the contributing category.
No false dumping or any other silly nuances you want to use when the information is available that on the morning of Aug 4th every other school was sitting on zoom waiting to begrudgingly approve a grant of rights for the sake of keeping the conference going, and UW and Oregon don't show up on time and there's rumors on the internet that they're going to the Big 10.
I'm sorry that facts bother you. Embrace that Oregon and UW are literally villains in this case, or just keeping making your excuses for everyone to see right through them.
Again, conveniently ignoring virtually everything while cherry picking what you want the narrative to be.
You're absolutely correct about the morning of August 4th, as if that morning was the only pretext to the conference' demise. Pretty narrow look at a situation that was evolving for years, don't you think?
I said there were many who were implicit in this mess and yes, Oregon and Washington contributed. To say they and they alone are the only reason the conference isn't whole is disingenuous.
I don't have a problem having Oregon and Washington being villains. I do have a problem you don't or won't recognize the many other villains who contributed to this debacle, including the former OSU president.
Yep, hours before the approval UW, Arizona, and UO get offers of a much better deal relative to visibility for their programs and money to support them. They did what they did for the interests of their schools....just as USC, UCLA and Colorado had done.
Oregon and UW literally don't get a full share until 2029 of big10 money. They screwed everyone to keep the roughly the same net revenue until that point. Colorado's revenue pans out to be about the same as well.....
Also, not true regarding Arizona. Bobby Robbins was ready to stay put in the Pac12 despite their Big12 overture if UW and Oregon hadn't left. You can look up Brett McMurphy's tweet at 6:45am on August 4th regarding that.
Or.... you can just keep making these blind excuses rather than accepting that UW and Oregon are villains in the demise of the Pac12.
Hey Michael. What are you hoping to achieve with your posts? Change peopleтАЩs minds? Honest question.
Soooo, Twitter is ur support?
Read the Arizona newspapers. Arizona went into the meeting with a Big12 deal. They told the Big12 commissioner we want to wait to see what Commissioner K brings. If it isn't as good, we'll join the Big12. K didn't bring it. Cats immediately called Yormark. It wasn't UW/UO cold feet. It was UA making their own decision.
enjoy your pity , nobody cares what you feel
You're wrong on two counts. What pity? And apparently you cared enough to type a sentence
with weird spaces around your comma.