Firing Rolovich was only rational action that could be taken. Defiance of a direct order was sufficient but in the face of a 100 Year pandemic that was killing hundreds of thousands, anything less would be sheer negligence
Firing Rolovich was only rational action that could be taken. Defiance of a direct order was sufficient but in the face of a 100 Year pandemic that was killing hundreds of thousands, anything less would be sheer negligence
How about this? It almost killed me. I was in the ICU for 13 days. Killed my daughter’s co-worker in 10 days. He was 26. Geez people like you befuddle me
Hi Ed, sorry for your experience and glad you pulled through because I regularly enjoy your comments!
I too know close friends and family who suffered from this virus, as do many of us here in this online community
My comment not at all directed at anyone other than government forcing a health decision on an individual to enable employment, and now CFB Coug’s suffering in part from ‘long Covid’ as a consequence. That, IMHO is wrong. It’s also bad for the PAC to have weak teams
It was clear (to many) by Oct 2021 that vaccine was effective for lessening impact of virus if you got it, but not for preventing its spread. With that knowledge, it was IMO, arbitrary to fire Rolovich for refusing the vaccine
Soon enough the Superior court of Whitman County will have its say. It will be interesting to see if Washington case follows what just occurred in New York (where state sanitation workers fired for refusing jab have been reinstated in job w/ back pay). Each jurisdiction and state case law is different so east coast example may not apply
What is nuts to me is that Inslee directive requiring vax for WA State employment is still in effect today. Even Kate Brown/Oregon rescinded that same requirement for govt workers back on Apr 1 ‘22
I understand your point. I lived in Washington for 5 years and it was
incredible how the state government would wield it’s power with no regard for the citizen’s input.
I am a coach. I saw what the pandemic did to my team and myself.Try spending 14 days in ICU. I was in isolated from everyone I knew and loved. There was a day when they called my wife and kids and said I was looking like I was not going to make it. I talked to the nurses and the doctors. I have a 25 year history of broadcasting and interviewing people. They told me their personal stories of their own relatives denying the seriousness of the disease . Then dying. This was all before the vaccine. The doctors and nurses gave up trying to convince people like Rolovich and put their head down and worked to save lives. They did not give up. There was no vaccine then and these people risked their lives to save mine They lost their own mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers. And son’s and daughters
Anyone with any kind of cognition should have looked at the deaths and said I will get the vaccine for the good of the team and the safety of me and my family Rolovich was a COVID denier and deserved to be fired. He took the selfish and easy way out and destroyed his own future.
I’ve not had Covid that I know of, but my daughter and wife have. I got jabbed 2x. I did lose 2 extended family members to Covid, both were elderly. I don’t doubt the seriousness of the virus, at all. I just have a strong belief in personal choice, and not allowing the State to control one’s livelihood for not conforming to what was a vaccine that wasn’t tested to same level as all other vaccines we grew up with. To the vast majority, the vaccine has been a huge plus. To a minority however it has not. I know several friends (in their early 40’s) who took vax and suffered myocarditis, for example. They wish they never took the vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies supply vaccines are also immune from lawsuit if something goes awry w/ your health from taking vax
For me (and you) and many others that didn’t matter, we took it anyway
Rolovich i think is separate from our own experiences. Him not taking vax isn’t telling you you or anyone else you/they should not, nor does his vax refusal discount the suffering of others who contracted Covid. It’s just a personal choice, and I hope the courts respect it and compensate him accordingly
Ed, you say you understand Matt's point, but it sounds like you don't. You are talking virus, he is about personal choice. The jab has never kept anyone from getting the virus or spreading it, so you are not doing it "for the good of the team". You are taking it to hopefully keep you from getting very sick or dying (although you still can). So, since you are doing it for yourself, it should be a personal choice in a free society.
wrong...firing over the refusal to be vaccinated, when it's now proven the vaccinations actually make a person more susceptible to contract COVID and it's variants is governmental over-reach and negligence by not doing their due diligence. I hope Rolovich is able to sue Inslee and the state for many many millions.
Actually it's the opposite of "proven" that vaccinations make a person more susceptible to COVID. Just FYI, Gateway Pundit, the website who made that debunked claim, is not a credible source for science information. Second, Rolovich has no case. He violated the terms of his employment agreement. Then, after he was fired, made a bad faith claim that his Catholic beliefs prevented him from getting the vaccine. The Catholic church has no such prohibition.
"Not a credible source for science information"? AKA not approved by Fauci because it goes against the narrative. Never in American history has one side of a story been suppressed like we have experienced with the vaccines. Those with opposing views have had their careers destroyed. That should tell anyone with an open intelligent mind that there is a massive cover up. There are always two sides of a story, ALWAYS.
I could be wrong in this, but I think in the history of our nation it has only ever been the military that has required an injection (never tested on humans before mass release) into your body in exchange for employment
I’m a 1st Gulf War veteran and myself and other vets took untested injections at that time (to protect against Anthrax). We later learned these injections were never FDA approved, and they were finally stopped in 2001
Thankfully I suffer no ill effects from those shots. But I know fellow vets who continue to suffer long term negative effects (Gulf War Illness) that we believe are attributed to jabs ‘for our own good’ needed to fulfill that past govt. ‘employment contract’
Rolovich was a collegiate coach in good physical shape. He should not have had to give any reason for refusing the jab other than citing what he/you and I enjoy under the Bill of Rights. He was the highest paid employee of State of Washington at the time, and I believe he was made an example of
Is the “employment agreement” a public record? Is there a specific clause in said “agreement” where Rolovich agreed to take any vaccines in the event of a pandemic? If there is such a clause, then I agree he has no case. If there is no such clause, what “terms” of employment did he violate? Please be specific.
That's your opinion, not a fact. I did not refer to the "gateway pundit" You did! I got my information from several biologists and virologists. But you keep assuming you know everything. Admittedly Rolovich as a state employee is in a tight spot. But "if" he can prove the governor acted negligently and more importantly without proper information and facts...He may have a great case. YOU don't know whether or not he does, and neither do I. But YOU keep assuming, you know what ass-umptions do...right?
Firing Rolovich was only rational action that could be taken. Defiance of a direct order was sufficient but in the face of a 100 Year pandemic that was killing hundreds of thousands, anything less would be sheer negligence
We’ll see how “rational” the decision was when the actual science is examined in a court of law.
How about this? It almost killed me. I was in the ICU for 13 days. Killed my daughter’s co-worker in 10 days. He was 26. Geez people like you befuddle me
Hi Ed, sorry for your experience and glad you pulled through because I regularly enjoy your comments!
I too know close friends and family who suffered from this virus, as do many of us here in this online community
My comment not at all directed at anyone other than government forcing a health decision on an individual to enable employment, and now CFB Coug’s suffering in part from ‘long Covid’ as a consequence. That, IMHO is wrong. It’s also bad for the PAC to have weak teams
It was clear (to many) by Oct 2021 that vaccine was effective for lessening impact of virus if you got it, but not for preventing its spread. With that knowledge, it was IMO, arbitrary to fire Rolovich for refusing the vaccine
Soon enough the Superior court of Whitman County will have its say. It will be interesting to see if Washington case follows what just occurred in New York (where state sanitation workers fired for refusing jab have been reinstated in job w/ back pay). Each jurisdiction and state case law is different so east coast example may not apply
What is nuts to me is that Inslee directive requiring vax for WA State employment is still in effect today. Even Kate Brown/Oregon rescinded that same requirement for govt workers back on Apr 1 ‘22
Did you get sick? Did you suffer? Did someone close to you die? Have you spent hours watching people coming in and corpses going out?
I understand your point. I lived in Washington for 5 years and it was
incredible how the state government would wield it’s power with no regard for the citizen’s input.
I am a coach. I saw what the pandemic did to my team and myself.Try spending 14 days in ICU. I was in isolated from everyone I knew and loved. There was a day when they called my wife and kids and said I was looking like I was not going to make it. I talked to the nurses and the doctors. I have a 25 year history of broadcasting and interviewing people. They told me their personal stories of their own relatives denying the seriousness of the disease . Then dying. This was all before the vaccine. The doctors and nurses gave up trying to convince people like Rolovich and put their head down and worked to save lives. They did not give up. There was no vaccine then and these people risked their lives to save mine They lost their own mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers. And son’s and daughters
Anyone with any kind of cognition should have looked at the deaths and said I will get the vaccine for the good of the team and the safety of me and my family Rolovich was a COVID denier and deserved to be fired. He took the selfish and easy way out and destroyed his own future.
Merry Christmas Ed!
I’ve not had Covid that I know of, but my daughter and wife have. I got jabbed 2x. I did lose 2 extended family members to Covid, both were elderly. I don’t doubt the seriousness of the virus, at all. I just have a strong belief in personal choice, and not allowing the State to control one’s livelihood for not conforming to what was a vaccine that wasn’t tested to same level as all other vaccines we grew up with. To the vast majority, the vaccine has been a huge plus. To a minority however it has not. I know several friends (in their early 40’s) who took vax and suffered myocarditis, for example. They wish they never took the vaccine. The pharmaceutical companies supply vaccines are also immune from lawsuit if something goes awry w/ your health from taking vax
For me (and you) and many others that didn’t matter, we took it anyway
Rolovich i think is separate from our own experiences. Him not taking vax isn’t telling you you or anyone else you/they should not, nor does his vax refusal discount the suffering of others who contracted Covid. It’s just a personal choice, and I hope the courts respect it and compensate him accordingly
Employment is a binding agreement between two people. Breach that deal you are gone. That is science: A - B = C.
Have you had it? Maybe you should try it out and see how
rational this virus is. Geez.
Ed, you say you understand Matt's point, but it sounds like you don't. You are talking virus, he is about personal choice. The jab has never kept anyone from getting the virus or spreading it, so you are not doing it "for the good of the team". You are taking it to hopefully keep you from getting very sick or dying (although you still can). So, since you are doing it for yourself, it should be a personal choice in a free society.
wrong...firing over the refusal to be vaccinated, when it's now proven the vaccinations actually make a person more susceptible to contract COVID and it's variants is governmental over-reach and negligence by not doing their due diligence. I hope Rolovich is able to sue Inslee and the state for many many millions.
Actually it's the opposite of "proven" that vaccinations make a person more susceptible to COVID. Just FYI, Gateway Pundit, the website who made that debunked claim, is not a credible source for science information. Second, Rolovich has no case. He violated the terms of his employment agreement. Then, after he was fired, made a bad faith claim that his Catholic beliefs prevented him from getting the vaccine. The Catholic church has no such prohibition.
"Not a credible source for science information"? AKA not approved by Fauci because it goes against the narrative. Never in American history has one side of a story been suppressed like we have experienced with the vaccines. Those with opposing views have had their careers destroyed. That should tell anyone with an open intelligent mind that there is a massive cover up. There are always two sides of a story, ALWAYS.
I could be wrong in this, but I think in the history of our nation it has only ever been the military that has required an injection (never tested on humans before mass release) into your body in exchange for employment
I’m a 1st Gulf War veteran and myself and other vets took untested injections at that time (to protect against Anthrax). We later learned these injections were never FDA approved, and they were finally stopped in 2001
Thankfully I suffer no ill effects from those shots. But I know fellow vets who continue to suffer long term negative effects (Gulf War Illness) that we believe are attributed to jabs ‘for our own good’ needed to fulfill that past govt. ‘employment contract’
Rolovich was a collegiate coach in good physical shape. He should not have had to give any reason for refusing the jab other than citing what he/you and I enjoy under the Bill of Rights. He was the highest paid employee of State of Washington at the time, and I believe he was made an example of
Is the “employment agreement” a public record? Is there a specific clause in said “agreement” where Rolovich agreed to take any vaccines in the event of a pandemic? If there is such a clause, then I agree he has no case. If there is no such clause, what “terms” of employment did he violate? Please be specific.
That's your opinion, not a fact. I did not refer to the "gateway pundit" You did! I got my information from several biologists and virologists. But you keep assuming you know everything. Admittedly Rolovich as a state employee is in a tight spot. But "if" he can prove the governor acted negligently and more importantly without proper information and facts...He may have a great case. YOU don't know whether or not he does, and neither do I. But YOU keep assuming, you know what ass-umptions do...right?