I'd be willing to bet that there are more households in the PAC-12 footprint with access to Amazon Prime than there are to the PAC-12 Networks. Not so sure about Apple. And it won't surprise me that soon someone will develop an APP or piece of hardware that will make swapping between streaming/cable or streaming/streaming as simple as it is to switch channels now on your tv. The market for that capability will be huge.
It won’t matter who the Oregon president or interim is. If the dollars are Big 12 comparable the the duration is five or so years all of the university presidents will sign off on whatever deal is presented to them. They don’t have a choice at this point.
As to your PAC 12 networkquestion, is there anyone who doesn’t want to see it on any other established platform? ESPN+, Apple, Amazon, even Paramount+ would be an improvement!
Again John, excellent reporting. Thanks. In terms of the comments, other than "personal" shout outs to John for his outstanding work, I shall be absent from the comments page. The past couple of weeks I have read the kinds of vitriol, most of it in the form of mindless verbal attacks on the member of the tribe who happened to express a thought that unsettled the attacker. I thought Twitter was the world for this. None of these were aimed at me, but for me amounted to something I have chosen to avoid. Two words for those who are compelled to aggressively play in this arena: compassion, and breathe. Charlie
This Dawg fan really enjoys reading your work John - yes, Wilner too :-) Anyway, thanks for keeping us in the loop on things. These "national" media guys, along with the countless mid-west and east-coast bloggers, all who seem to have more inside info of the PAC than ANYONE on the planet, have driven me bonkers with their totally useless stories every day! The sanity is much appreciated!
I've heard the red herring arguments about visibility that began being conjectured last fall when Pac started talking significant streaming. And I know there are old heads who won't be able to find the games without their TV Guide, the clicker, and wrapping their rabbit ears with aluminum foil.
I'm here for ALL-IN streaming. I cut cable years ago. The network streamers like Sling are okay, and helps that can only pay for a few months per year. But clunky and very expensive paying for 99.99% content I couldn't care less about. Would love to see all Pac games on either Amazon or Apple. Much more convenient, and I already have subscriptions. I would even pay an extra $20-30/mo for a Pac 12 subscription through those providers. The conference would get a larger cut that way too.
Just for the record, I'd like to put in a comment for non-streaming viewers. I see the inevitable tide of streaming format, but I will miss my current options of Pac12 Network, ESPN (s), Fox, and Commercial Networks for all of my sports coverage. Changing from one source to another is instantaneous, and I can record all of them simultaneously. All of these options are provided on DISH TV, and if I had a vote, I would retain these options.
John, I’ve previously ID’d myself here as having 15+ years higher Ed administrative experience (including working directly with multiple interim and permanent presidents/chancellors). These thoughts are derived from those experiences.
Had UO not yet named a permanent leader, I might buy their statement to you that the short-term interim has genuine authority to vote her conscience on the conference media deal and any collateral issues.
But the new guy has been named. He takes over in less than 90 days. It is simply inconceivable to me that a placeholder — even one with extensive campus experience and a background in athletics — would cast such a consequential vote on her own, without consulting him and, in effect, voting as his proxy.
Thank you for the in depth update. I truly enjoyed the NCAA men’s tournament this year, very entertaining. The championship game not so much but hats off to UConn! The women’s tournament was fun to watch as well, I just wish Iowa could have won it. What a fun team to watch and a class program. Not so much LSU.
TV ratings for the Final Four and National Championship should disabuse anyone -- even Wilner -- of the notion that SDSU would be a positive addition to the Pac 12.
I’m perhaps in a minority but I like Pac12 Network because there is a lot of content most of the year, Dish offers it and the cost is minimal, and I don’t pay for streaming services ither than Netflix.
Thanks, John...I'll listen to the podcast later today, they've very good.
Don't think for a minute Pac-12 fans don't enjoy your updates on the media rights progress. Although it has been an excruciatingly slow process from a fan's perspective, your details and sourced information, combined with experience and logic, are sincerely appreciated. I hope the presidents/chancellors don't fiddle too long - the Big 12 could make things very attractive for SMU and San Diego State. That would be a shame for the Pac-12, maybe fatal. It would just take one current school - Oregon, Washington being the leading candidates - to start getting nervous and some real tension could develop and threaten an agreement and the future of the conference.
One more item - Apple and Amazon are the future. I'd love to see them involved in the new deal. As for Sling...they'll be gone and forgotten in 5 years in my opinion.
I live in Europe (Italy). So, I know I don't matter for tv dollars. But, I hope they figure out how to get college football licensed internationally. Right now it is impossible for me to watch Duck games legally. Maybe streaming services would change that? Again, low expectations here because I am one of probably just a few sets of eyeballs so we don't count. But is anybody looking at international audiences in all of this?
I'd be willing to bet that there are more households in the PAC-12 footprint with access to Amazon Prime than there are to the PAC-12 Networks. Not so sure about Apple. And it won't surprise me that soon someone will develop an APP or piece of hardware that will make swapping between streaming/cable or streaming/streaming as simple as it is to switch channels now on your tv. The market for that capability will be huge.
It won’t matter who the Oregon president or interim is. If the dollars are Big 12 comparable the the duration is five or so years all of the university presidents will sign off on whatever deal is presented to them. They don’t have a choice at this point.
As to your PAC 12 networkquestion, is there anyone who doesn’t want to see it on any other established platform? ESPN+, Apple, Amazon, even Paramount+ would be an improvement!
Again John, excellent reporting. Thanks. In terms of the comments, other than "personal" shout outs to John for his outstanding work, I shall be absent from the comments page. The past couple of weeks I have read the kinds of vitriol, most of it in the form of mindless verbal attacks on the member of the tribe who happened to express a thought that unsettled the attacker. I thought Twitter was the world for this. None of these were aimed at me, but for me amounted to something I have chosen to avoid. Two words for those who are compelled to aggressively play in this arena: compassion, and breathe. Charlie
This Dawg fan really enjoys reading your work John - yes, Wilner too :-) Anyway, thanks for keeping us in the loop on things. These "national" media guys, along with the countless mid-west and east-coast bloggers, all who seem to have more inside info of the PAC than ANYONE on the planet, have driven me bonkers with their totally useless stories every day! The sanity is much appreciated!
If Commissioner K's media negotiations last any longer he will replace Portland's Walter Cole (Darcelle) as the Queen of Drag.
I've heard the red herring arguments about visibility that began being conjectured last fall when Pac started talking significant streaming. And I know there are old heads who won't be able to find the games without their TV Guide, the clicker, and wrapping their rabbit ears with aluminum foil.
I'm here for ALL-IN streaming. I cut cable years ago. The network streamers like Sling are okay, and helps that can only pay for a few months per year. But clunky and very expensive paying for 99.99% content I couldn't care less about. Would love to see all Pac games on either Amazon or Apple. Much more convenient, and I already have subscriptions. I would even pay an extra $20-30/mo for a Pac 12 subscription through those providers. The conference would get a larger cut that way too.
Just for the record, I'd like to put in a comment for non-streaming viewers. I see the inevitable tide of streaming format, but I will miss my current options of Pac12 Network, ESPN (s), Fox, and Commercial Networks for all of my sports coverage. Changing from one source to another is instantaneous, and I can record all of them simultaneously. All of these options are provided on DISH TV, and if I had a vote, I would retain these options.
Another terrific and balanced look at Pac-10 media negotiations as among others, Dennis Dodd as Exhibit A, hammers away at the conference.
I deeply appreciate the balanced reporting you and Jon Wilner have provided during the new media negotiations.
Would it not be ironic if streaming leads to big and not B1G bucks?
John, I’ve previously ID’d myself here as having 15+ years higher Ed administrative experience (including working directly with multiple interim and permanent presidents/chancellors). These thoughts are derived from those experiences.
Had UO not yet named a permanent leader, I might buy their statement to you that the short-term interim has genuine authority to vote her conscience on the conference media deal and any collateral issues.
But the new guy has been named. He takes over in less than 90 days. It is simply inconceivable to me that a placeholder — even one with extensive campus experience and a background in athletics — would cast such a consequential vote on her own, without consulting him and, in effect, voting as his proxy.
I’ve seen it happen elsewhere.
Thank you for the in depth update. I truly enjoyed the NCAA men’s tournament this year, very entertaining. The championship game not so much but hats off to UConn! The women’s tournament was fun to watch as well, I just wish Iowa could have won it. What a fun team to watch and a class program. Not so much LSU.
Thank you
TV ratings for the Final Four and National Championship should disabuse anyone -- even Wilner -- of the notion that SDSU would be a positive addition to the Pac 12.
I’m perhaps in a minority but I like Pac12 Network because there is a lot of content most of the year, Dish offers it and the cost is minimal, and I don’t pay for streaming services ither than Netflix.
John,
Who is Blue and Gold Dude?
He keeps popping up in my Google feed with stories about the impending demise of the Pac 12/10/14, etc.
I won't waste my time on the clickbait.
thanks,
dave peterson
Thanks, John...I'll listen to the podcast later today, they've very good.
Don't think for a minute Pac-12 fans don't enjoy your updates on the media rights progress. Although it has been an excruciatingly slow process from a fan's perspective, your details and sourced information, combined with experience and logic, are sincerely appreciated. I hope the presidents/chancellors don't fiddle too long - the Big 12 could make things very attractive for SMU and San Diego State. That would be a shame for the Pac-12, maybe fatal. It would just take one current school - Oregon, Washington being the leading candidates - to start getting nervous and some real tension could develop and threaten an agreement and the future of the conference.
One more item - Apple and Amazon are the future. I'd love to see them involved in the new deal. As for Sling...they'll be gone and forgotten in 5 years in my opinion.
I live in Europe (Italy). So, I know I don't matter for tv dollars. But, I hope they figure out how to get college football licensed internationally. Right now it is impossible for me to watch Duck games legally. Maybe streaming services would change that? Again, low expectations here because I am one of probably just a few sets of eyeballs so we don't count. But is anybody looking at international audiences in all of this?