I went to Baylor, I know what SMU is. It's no academic powerhouse. It's a tiny, old southern money, conservative Texas bastion that spits out lawyers and golddiggers. SDSU is toward the bottom of your graphic with Oregon State and Washington State. Sure, Stanford and Cal are elite US universities. If their goal is academics and research, perhaps they should join the Ivy League.
Let's be honest though, CU-ASU-UA-Utah have WAY more in common with Dallas than they do San Francisco. West Coast teams in the Pac12 are going to find themselves on an island of their own making here fairly soon. Time to ditch the elitism is they really want to have athletic departments and be able to market their universities to Saturday afternoon viewers.
Ok, have fun in athletic hell then when your conference is decimated again in a couple years. You got no where else to go. I mean, you're going to add Fresno State? UNLV? Boise State? Come on! Ego almost destroyed the Big12. Time for the Pac12 to start facing reality.
I am stating the facts of the issue- and the bottom line is that the Pac 12 and Big 12 are not compatible and it will not happen in the current TV cycle.
Last year the conference reportedly looked at TCU, Houston, and I think they should have grabbed them. But USC helped shut that down.
None of this is my call.
It seems to really bug the Big 12 fans more than anyone else.
I just think it's ironic that when there was talk about Pac12 maybe looking at Baylor it was said it was too Christian and conservative and not academic enough. And now, you take that exact thing except half the size of Baylor, half the endowment and a tiny fraction of the athletics. But hey, spite your face all day.
This chart sums up a lot
https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1624771235849637888
And compares the academic standing of all current Pac 12, Big 12 and prospective members.
Might want to take a look at the actual facts on SMU and even SDSU
I went to Baylor, I know what SMU is. It's no academic powerhouse. It's a tiny, old southern money, conservative Texas bastion that spits out lawyers and golddiggers. SDSU is toward the bottom of your graphic with Oregon State and Washington State. Sure, Stanford and Cal are elite US universities. If their goal is academics and research, perhaps they should join the Ivy League.
Let's be honest though, CU-ASU-UA-Utah have WAY more in common with Dallas than they do San Francisco. West Coast teams in the Pac12 are going to find themselves on an island of their own making here fairly soon. Time to ditch the elitism is they really want to have athletic departments and be able to market their universities to Saturday afternoon viewers.
No - the Big 12 and Pac 12 are not good fits
Even if you get past academics, and focus solely on politics, culture, socially....just not compatible. Just not.
Accept it and move on.
Ok, have fun in athletic hell then when your conference is decimated again in a couple years. You got no where else to go. I mean, you're going to add Fresno State? UNLV? Boise State? Come on! Ego almost destroyed the Big12. Time for the Pac12 to start facing reality.
I am stating the facts of the issue- and the bottom line is that the Pac 12 and Big 12 are not compatible and it will not happen in the current TV cycle.
Last year the conference reportedly looked at TCU, Houston, and I think they should have grabbed them. But USC helped shut that down.
None of this is my call.
It seems to really bug the Big 12 fans more than anyone else.
Compatible enough for Colorado, and likely Arizona and others!
You think I get a say in any of this?
None of this matters as to what you think, I think. Get over it.
And this chart shows SMU is above Baylor
I just think it's ironic that when there was talk about Pac12 maybe looking at Baylor it was said it was too Christian and conservative and not academic enough. And now, you take that exact thing except half the size of Baylor, half the endowment and a tiny fraction of the athletics. But hey, spite your face all day.
The landscape has changed. And it;s not ME deciding any of this.
You seem to want to pick a fight with me. I have no role whatsoever in any of this.
And I don't know how much the conference looked at Baylor. I think there was much more interest in TCU and Houston above all others