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douglas ward's avatar

The current PAC-12 is barely a Power Five conference. Adding any of those schools other than San Diego State will immediately downgrade the conference to a Mountain West level. What a joke.

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John Canzano's avatar

Utah was in the MWC.

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Bob Lowe's avatar

Exactly. Utah moved from MWC to P12 and succeeded in all ways. SDSU will do same.

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Bob Lowe's avatar

In what way? SDSU will surpass U, OSU, WSU , ASU and A athletically and in academic in a decade of P12 membership. Academics are already better than OSU

and WSU.

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Buck's avatar

A very different and arguably stronger one though.

That MWC had BYU and TCU (and Utah)

Boise was a reasonable addition, but it's been mostly all downhill for that program since CP left for Washington.

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Bob Lowe's avatar

This is a short-sighted assessment. Look at what the P12 has done for the Arizona schools in terms of athletic and academic improvement. A more recent example: Utah.

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Buck's avatar

It's really hard to use the AZ expansion as a comp here, as it was 40+ years ago and almost nothing about the sport and the media landscape even resembles things then.

Utah I will go with you on, but I would add that Utah stood out as a crystal clear, really great, expansion candidate when they were added. There was no hemming/hawing/debating. They were an obvious 100% choice, and none of the ones being discussed now fit that profile in my view.

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Bob Lowe's avatar

I disagree. I had in depth discussion with an ASU alum on this. It may be 40 years ago, but P12 helped them big time in academics and athletics. But, yes, Utah is the more recent and pertinent comparison.

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