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Jason Snell's avatar

Wilner's piece today suggests $20 million per school in a re-formed Pac would be possible. Bad but not Group of 5 bad.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/08/11/pac-12-rebuild-estimating-the-media-valuation-of-a-reconstructed-conference/

I still think Cal and Stanford's preferred choice would be football in the ACC and all other sports in the Mountain West.

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EA Flash's avatar

Why would the Mountain West take Stanford and Cal without football, the only programs they have that create any monetary value?

Stanford and Cal are too uppity academically to be associated with the MWC and the CSU schools like San Jose, Fresno and San Diego.

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DW's avatar

Don't lump us in that group. Go Aztecs. ;-)

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Jason Snell's avatar

I think you need to get your mind out of the "TV money" headspace for a moment. They'd take Cal and Stanford for olympic sports because it would be an instant prestige upgrade for the entire league. Believe it or not, some collegiate athletics are not completely broken and distorted by TV money.

You're not wrong about the MWC (but "uppity" is not quite the right word), which is why the WCC is also a possibility if football's not in the mix.

I still don't believe Cal and Stanford will subject their olympic sports students to east coast travel. That would be unforgivable.

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travis shireman's avatar

actually if anything the mwc would move to the pac as it still has automatic qualifier and p5 status they would be fools to do otherwise

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Grant's dad's avatar

No... it would not be instant prestige upgrade...First of all no one watches the non revenue sports. Secondly do you actually think anyone outside of the PAC 12 footprint gives a damn about "The Pac 12, the conference of champions" moniker??? They don't. And that's where all those championships came from...rowing, swimming, diving, Track & field, golf, gymnastics etc etc... It sounds great...but Football and to a lesser extent basketball pay the bills and garners the attention.

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EA Flash's avatar

Pretty obvious from the actions of the Big Ten and Big 12, and the Despicable 8 from the Pac-12, that TV money is all that matters.

If the ACC invites them, they will jump. Guaranteed. The athletes, like labor in general, are expendable, change completely every 3-4 years, and are the least of their concerns.

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travis shireman's avatar

the despicable 8 had no choice clown klavikoff left them with smoke up the ass for a yr and didnt even really push to make a deal then he went groveling to apple schools like utah had no choice they were best in the league but dont have a large enough tv market klavikof and scott destroyed the pac 12 period

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Bob B's avatar

I thought it has been reported that the ACC turned down the Stanford/Cal option?

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EA Flash's avatar

So far. Had they been invited, they'd be gone in a New York Minute.

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jon joseph's avatar

Stanford for certain would go independent before joining the MW.

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travis shireman's avatar

and end up like an ivy league program yea nope

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Charles A Roseberry's avatar

My conclusion exactly, and to my embarrassment, an attitude I share and totally agree with.

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Bryce Mcqueen's avatar

Stanford does not want any part of the mountain west

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travis shireman's avatar

better that than indy

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Grant's dad's avatar

which is why they are where they are...on the outside looking in.

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Toohandy's avatar

Why do they have to be so elitist. That may be one reason the Pac 12 had a problem keeping certain schools in the conference at the start of this crap.

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Ben Johnson's avatar

Does that include the Apple product because I see the being raised within 3-5 years alone if not more with just the Apple product.

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Mike Ridenhour's avatar

Not sure where you are getting the $20MM figure. It is not in Jon's article. He estimated total value of a 10 member league to be $110MM (annually) and a 16 member league to be $135MM. Even if you assume the existing PAC12 schools get a higher % -- it would be tough to get to $20MM each for CAL/Stanford/OSU/WSU in those scenarios.

Keeping A5/P5 status may be more important than a difference of $5MM in media rights.

The CFP money will explode under the new contract in a few years.

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Steve Musgrave's avatar

20 Million for the Pac 4 about 10 million for the G5 teams added, For SDSU with its $34 million exit fee. the extra five million would take seven years over a six year contract to break even, Thats a no go.

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jon joseph's avatar

G5 plus? I don't see this or a similar alignment as a 'Power' Conference.

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Steve Musgrave's avatar

It is pretty obvious to me the top 64 schools are determined to form a monopoly and have no concerns at all for those not in it. I believe however we are headed for a major recession and or depression and theses media giants will be near bankrupt in five years

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travis shireman's avatar

how do you see a recession ??? recessions only happen under republicans thats fact so unless trunt gets voted in i dont see it happening

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Steve Musgrave's avatar

33 trillion in debt,full on attack on oil and gas. I do not believe in Republican versus Democrat nonsense. It is a Corporate Plutocracy. Bothe semi parties are responsible. The dollar losing value by the moment our credit rating just got dropped again. all the new green deal technology gets It's minerals from China not looking good. My grandfather was a station master in Washington DC for many years he used to tell me if you can believe in politics you can believe in professional wrestling, they're all owned by the same people.

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Ben Johnson's avatar

Need to Jon to go independent like yourself...couldn't read the article, can't afford to purchase subscriptions for every news outlet:(

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Ben Johnson's avatar

correction, need to get Jon to go independent...sorry.

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Jason Snell's avatar

I am also independent media like JC but you do have to pay all of us for content regardless :-)

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travis shireman's avatar

agreed i pay john every month for the last year why ??? cause i enjoy his writing and his reporting so i pay for it always

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Jason Snell's avatar

Can't imagine an independent Wilner would charge you much less than the Merc

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travis shireman's avatar

send me your email in a pm ill gift ya a one month sub

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