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David A Stensen's avatar

I’m happy. September be damned. So much fun. šŸ˜Ž

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Brian M's avatar

only fun if competitive. It won't be.

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David A Stensen's avatar

You’re not looking at the big picture. It’s not ALL about W-L. Each game is an experience to be enjoyed. The pre game routine, the walk to the stadium, entering to see the bright colors of the competing teams, the band, the dogs, the beer, the fans, the hope, the disappointment, the ā€œmaybe next yearā€ or the ā€œwe got em today.ā€ THAT’S what it’s about.

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Brian M's avatar

I guess you and I are in sports for different reasons. I go to a sports event to watch cheer my team to win. If my team is so uncompetitive that it can't possibly win, I will find something better to do with my weekend afternoon. I think I am in the massive majority on this. But you do you.

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David A Stensen's avatar

A fan is never realistic. Fan, short for fanatic. I enjoy winning as much as anyone. My experience with sports doesn’t revolve around national relevance. I grew up in the Bay Area. Been in Oregon since 1971. I’ve kept my childhood teams as favorites. I’ve seen the Giants, 49ers in the bottom of the standings and with the winners trophy. Along the way I’ve seen the Blazers suck and play as good as anyone. I became a Beaver fan in the early 80’s along with my association with OSU’s agriculture dept. Turf grass to be exact. I’ve watched them loose and win. I’m a fan. I’ll wait to see how the book progresses in the next chapter. All the while being a fan and cheering the young men and women of OSU. Have a nice day.

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Kent Crawford's avatar

Love this perspective David!

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Brian M's avatar

There is a big difference between watching a given team, down on its luck, like the Blazers or even the 1980s vintage Beavers football team, and two teams at completely different levels of competition, like Oregon and OSU (next year and on). Whereas the Giants or Blazers are still in the "big leagues" and so receive the same opportunity to draft players (with an advantage picking first) and the same income as their opponents, this is not true for the Beavers. They have been relegated to a lower level of competition, with less ability to recruit top players (and they don't get to pick first like in the majors), with much less income and donations with which to attract players. They are in a lower level league going forward with much less media exposure, lower level bowl games and no real chance to compete for the national title. It is essentially like a minor league baseball team, even if Triple A, having to compete with a major league team. They have next to no chance (might beat the major league team 1 out of 100). So you do not make a compelling argument.

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David A Stensen's avatar

I’m not here to offer you a compelling argument. I’m a fan of the university and it’s athletic department. Maybe you should move your loyalty 45 miles south so you can be in your big show. We won’t miss ya. šŸ‘‹

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Monte Olsen's avatar

You really know it all don’t ya?

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Brian M's avatar

Apparently you know more than me since you are asking that question. Congrats!

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Maverick's avatar

You overstate your assumption that you are in the majority. I feel you may be in the vocal minority. But neither of us can back that up so, I agree you do you. Always leaves to rake!

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Bill's avatar

Nothing you say will turn these crybaby Beaver fans from cutting their nose off to spite their face. They are intent in trashing their own school by forecasting the death of Beaver football before their team even has a chance to attempt reorganization. It’s really sad that they are hoping their prophetic demise of their team comes to pass so they can scream ā€œI told you so!ā€

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David A Stensen's avatar

Totally with ya. I started watching PAC 8 sports 70 years ago at a Stanford track meet. My dad was a polevalter back in the 20’s so he liked Track. I hate to see the PAC 12 die but it did. However I’ll be a fan of what’s next. No sense bitchen.

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UH60Driver's avatar

The Ducks and other schools have relegated the Beavs to third world status in college football revenue, thereby cutting them down at the knees. It won't be as competitive in the past, which is why the Ducks helped kill OSU's future to gain a monopoly on P5 now Power 4 football in the state for their own greed. The Beavers dug out of their Gary Anderson grave just to be killed again. This game will never be competitive again.

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Jim T's avatar

Respectfully disagree

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Chuck's avatar

Michael is absolutely correct in his prediction. Read the article that was linked on one of yesterday's posts about what is being proposed by the NCAA to loosen all restrictions on cash going to schools that will be the new autonomous group, i.e., the biggest, richest schools, so that they can directly pay players instead of going through NIL collectives to do it. This will free about 25-30 schools to conduct an even bigger arms race than currently exists. School on the edge or outside that circle will be forced to compete at a lesser level.

If the proposal which Charlie Baker is putting before the NCAA comes to fruition, OSU will be on the wrong end of that deal and the gap between haves and have nots will widen.

There is no longer a CW game, it's a sham, body bag, payday game and will be a humiliating reminder of the dirty deeds done dirt cheap by Phil's Wallet Inc.

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UH60Driver's avatar

Come live in reality with the rest of us someday.

The Beavs best hope is that realignment gets crazy again in a few years and they get back into a respectable conference that can provide what they need for recruits and revenue.

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Monte Olsen's avatar

Probably because it won’t be played. That’s the only reason I see. If this abominable event keeps returning (like a stumbling zombie), your predictions about the perfection of the future Quackz against the Beavs will hit the Notyom 10, where they will lie ignored and impotent for decades.

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Timothy E Larson's avatar

Hope you are right that " this game will never be competitive"

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Chuck's avatar

None of that matters if one no longer gives a flying F, and I certainly don't.

I do not like green eggs and sham.

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Maverick's avatar

If you don't give an a flying F... why are you so addicted to posting here? Guess you may be trolling after all. Good luck... we don't give a a flying, running or swimming F about your obtuse comments. Check out the history of the Platypus Trophy to get the joke on you. Oh the irony.

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Maverick's avatar

Ya baby... AND, there is no reason OSU won't compete. All speculation based on $s

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UH60Driver's avatar

Uhhhhh. Dollars these days get you recruits, facilities, TV.

College football is ALL about money now. What planet do you live on?

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Jim T's avatar

The unbridled free for all that is NIL, and the transfer portal, are going to be reeled in and better regulated soon. That will help settle the waters a bit.

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Chuck's avatar

Now that's some actual speculation. As much as anyone would think that makes sense, it's not going to happen, at least in the way you might be thinking because what the NCAA is considering is basically un-tethering the largest and richest schools within the Power 4 conferences to collect as much money as they can to pay athletes directly, rather than through NIL collective (Booster) groups. They will be able to hire as many coaches as they can afford, and pay as much as they want to recruit and compensate players.

If a school sees that it will not be able to compete in an all out, no holds barred arms race, it's alternative will be to compete at a lower level.

OSU will be neither able or willing to spend at the levels required to be a part of the top tier the proposed system will create.

The world of CFB as we have known it is over.

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Dwight Lilly's avatar

The NCAA is grasping for straws, all the conferences have approached congress hoping the government can reel in what amounts to year to year free agency of players. Cam Ward had 10 transfer offers to sort through Monday, and we know QB's are selling for $3 mil. The next re-alignment is at least 5 years in the future. I don't know where this is going, but it isn't looking good for a lot of Div 1 schools right now.

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Maverick's avatar

Wow, not much optimism here Brian.

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Brian M's avatar

Give me a reason. What is your theory how OSU can claw its way back to national football relevance. Unless you can explain it to me, you should also be realistic

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Maverick's avatar

Claw our way 'back' to relevance? What cool aid are you drinking today? OSU would crush Liberty, who the vaunted Ducks drew in the lottery, but they drew a real bowl game versus Notre Dame. You give up too easily, there are many cards to be played yet and even if OSU has a down year or two because money once again dictates competitiveness in college 'professional' football, how do you know the script doesn't get flipped yet again. down the road? I self identify as an Optimistic Idealist. šŸ˜‰ "While in the end the pessimist may be proven correct, the optimist has way more fun on the journey." - Daniel Reardon "A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities and an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties." -Harry Truman Lighten up and have some fun - the future lies ahead!

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Jim T's avatar

I think that the Liberty matchup shows the blatant disrespect that the CFP has had, and continues to harbor, in deference to the SEC. After all, it is the CFP "Garden of Eden" from which all good things flow. This, as believed by ESPN and the media behemoth surrounding the SEC.

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Brian M's avatar

OSU COULD have crushed Liberty. That is past tense. All the players that made OSU a legit Top 20 team are leaving. They will not be replaced with 4 star and high 3 star athletes. They will be replaced with whatever the Beavers can get, which is low 3 and 2 stars, if not walk-ons, just like in the 1980s. OSU will only be able to recruit to a G5 level and until the dust settles and they have a conference and media contract, it will be a low level G5 program like New Mexico State. At that point, they will NOT be able to compete with Liberty, which went undefeated in a G5 conference this year. And I am fine with all of that. G5 teams have fun games with each other and at their G5 bowls. But no way, Utah State or Air Force can go toe to toe with Top 20 teams. If you don't get your hopes too high you can find pleasure in lower level football, as long as games are between equals. Rather than glibly say "there are many cards to be played yet", why don't you tell me what they are and how OSU can again recruit well enough to compete with the Top 20? I am very curious. But if you just flip that off because it sounds nice, then forget it. I live in the real world.

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Jim T's avatar

As seen through impaired vision. Loosen the screws and let the blood flow. Things will become much clearer.

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Monte Olsen's avatar

Impaired? He doesn’t have any vision. Go back to your Eugene home, there, Bri. You never know how relevant the Quackz will be. And judging by what’s already transpiring, they’re gonna take some big hits in the coming years. We’ve lost two good quarterbacks to the portals and one excellent lineman to the pros. Those were obvious from the start. Let s give Trent Bret some time to get his feet under hm.

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Chuck's avatar

I think your rose colored glasses aren't helping your ability to discern the true color of the future reality that is quickly imposing itself on OSU Football.

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Maverick's avatar

Chuck... you may have noticed... you are not relevant here. Take the rest of the day off and try tomorrow with an open mind.

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David A Stensen's avatar

Have you looked at Liberty’s 2023 schedule. Two wins over New Mexico State. Old Dominion, Florida International, Bowling Green?

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Bill's avatar

Claw back? Did you see their ratings this year, constantly in the top 25? You are judging where you think they will be in the future before giving them even a chance. There’s a reason they’re playing ND in a bowl game. If they go in the toilet next year with a 1-11 season that’s one thing, but please give them some hope! This doomsday blabber is an insult to your Beavers.

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Mathias's avatar

Hopefully its back to November in 2025 and beyond and this is just a 1 year September thing.

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David A Stensen's avatar

Doubt it. Oregon will be knee deep in the Big Ten conference schdule come Nov. The Oregon State game will be a non conference match.

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Mathias's avatar

They're letting USC keep their November Notre Dame game. No reason the local rivalries of Oregon and Washington can't also be worked around.

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