I am sure you quite loved getting welfare checks from USC for your non revenue generating irrelevant program for the last generation and are pissed off that you will be banished to the MWC. Reminds me of the teenager who realizes they have to work for the first time. What was "selfish" was programs like OSU demanding generation after gen…
I am sure you quite loved getting welfare checks from USC for your non revenue generating irrelevant program for the last generation and are pissed off that you will be banished to the MWC. Reminds me of the teenager who realizes they have to work for the first time. What was "selfish" was programs like OSU demanding generation after generation that USC split revenue evenly. Now, the truth is laid bare. Your program is worthless. Enjoy the $4 million annual payout in the MWC.
USC never wrote anyone a check. What a lie which says quite a bit about you as a person. You are just another greedy, self-absorbed so-called fan who enables people like Larry Scott and the leadership at USC and UCLA to leverage public universities for their own personal gain. This is the sad state of personal ethics, let's call it the "Hunter Biden syndrome", that is gutting our entire society. I can see you are right up there leading the way.
I wonder how many checks USC was writing those seasons when there were 20-25K in the Coliseum for home games. They must have had to reach really deep into their wallets. The hubris is just staggering.
I'll take things that have happened under 5 times in the history of USC's program for $100 Alex. Aside from your claim just being an outright lie, media value is not driven by people in the stands in significant part. The hubris is actually Utah fan's. You're 0-4 in your last four bowl games, including getting absolutely waxed back-to-back in the Rose Bowl. In the midst of our worst coach ever, even *we* won an epic Rose Bowl and finished Top 3, something you've done once in the entire *history* of your program. The entirety of your existence is wrapped up in a few seasons. Call it arrogance if you like; I call it results on the field. I know you'd like to memory-hole everything prior to 2020, but that's not how this works.
Do you call "getting waxed" losing to Ohio State by a FG in essentially the last play of the game? A game in which our starting QB missed a significant portion of the 4th QTR with an injury and where 3/4 of our starting defensive backfield was out due to injuries. Do you call "getting waxed" losing to Penn State by 14 points in a game where our starting QB missed almost the entirety of the second half due to injury and we were missing our best offensive (Dalton Kincaid -1st RD pick of the Bills) and defensive player (Clark Phillips III - 4th RD pick of the Falcons)? It is takes like these that make USC and its fanbase amongst the most widely despised in football. You have a total, cavalier disdain for facts that is, again, just staggering. I'm personally going to take an interest in seeing your soft SoCal team get its hat and coat handed to it on a weekly basis by the B1G. Good luck filling those stands and getting eyeballs on your product in the midst 4-6 win seasons.
Cool cool. So when all you hick dumbshits were lording over SC last year when a horrid penalty call gave you the first game by a point and yukking it up when our Heisman QB pulled up lame as he was about to waltz into the end zone to put USC up 21-3 in the first quarter as equally unfortunate for USC, right? Caleb couldn't run; couldn't even plant for the last three quarters of that game. I mean of course you would if you weren't a rank hypocrite. Win something, anything, ever, except the one glorious season in the sun against USC. Until then, leave the chat.
Typical USC douchebag...how about you win something that isn't in a black and white photo or paid for? You and the rest of the USC schmucks are living in the past. You're never going to win anything else in the history of your program and the B1G boys are going to have your asses for lunch. Your QB is a reflection of your classless fanbase and shit hole city. He's an entitled, weakass clown that puts a towel over his head and cries every time when things don't go his way. You ever see Rising do that? Or Nix? Or Penix? Or Ward? Or any other QB in the PAC? No, just your guy from DC. Win something, anything? We stomped your pathetic asses in Vegas. Y'all lucky as f&$# that Kyle is a generous guy or we would have dropped "fity' plus on you. How's that for winning something? You and the rest of the USC crack addicts, illegals and hobos at that game were wolfing shit, talking CFP and then, just like that, the roof collapsed on your head. That's how every game is going to feel like in the B1G, so get used to it. Bye now...
Thanks for proving that "winning something" to a Ute fan is beating USC. That's because Utah is today and has always been a second rate program. Do you still wear your Heart of Dallas and Foster Farm bowl t shirts? I used to keep my Rose Bowl shirts until there got to be too many, so I can sorta relate....sorta.
Dude, get a grip... USC was just the opponent in the game...why is it that you USC fans think that the world revolves around you? Personally, I haven't thought about USC as a worthy opponent until last year. Prior to that, the Utes' focus lay squarely on Washington and Oregon, the two elite teams in the conference. Let's face it, USC has been an irrelevant program since they got their hands caught in the cookie jar way back when. As I told your backup dancer, Utah is never going back to being a "second-rate" program due to the population growth in the state and the popularity of HS football here. Do you keep track of college recruiting? If you did, you'd see that Utah has been improving year to year and are now in the Top 20. If you look at Utah's recruiting and that of all of the teams in the Big 12 for the last five years, Utah is on top and the only team even close to them in TCU. Therefore, it's way more likely that USC reverts to an also-ran in the B1G than Utah does so in the Big 12. Explain to me how you're going to compete against teams that recruit better than you, have deeper pockets than you, and have larger fan bases than you? It's just not logical and ain't happening buddy.
What a perfect distillation of inflated self importance and lack of knowledge. So, Washington is an "elite" team because they have precisely two seasons in the last 2 decades with 2 losses. They're "elite" to you because they've utterly owned your ass head-to-head. They are not elite in any objective sense and haven't been since the 90's. They haven't won a Rose Bowl for over 20 years.
Do I keep track of college recruiting? More than you, that's for sure. Again, Utah fan showing hard core recency bias because you have ONE class where you've finally cracked the Top 30, and you're celebrating...truly hilarious. Congrats on having relatively good recruiting rankings relative to the carcass of a formerly strong conference.
Only in Magic Underwear land does someone think that a program fresh off a Heisman and 11 wins in Year One of a new program, cranking in Top 5 recruiting classes and on its way to a Top 2 conference is *more* likely to be rendered irrelevant than a program who cracked the Top 30 for the first time and is on its way to a conference that's just been gutted.
I'll explain exactly how USC will compete and excel. I have generations of data to support this claim. When USC is led by a good coach, it recruits as well as any program in the country. USC's pockets are as deep as any program in the country -- we are paying Riley 10 million a year and about to build a new athletics facility that's going to cost 100's of millions. USC's NIL program stands up to any program in the country, saving those in the south who just throw straight up bags of money. That's how. It's real simple. I don't have to hope and cross my fingers like Utah fan does that we'll be elite because we recruit better than Iowa State.
Dan, your team hasn't won jack since Pete Carroll had a full head of dark hair. I don't want to hear about the things you could do or may do...they usually mean squat. The reality is that you, and other USC fans like you, are coming out of the woodwork even though you were a three loss team last year... that's how irrelevant your program has been. Both Washington and Oregon have been heads and shoulders above USC since the PAC 12 was instituted, and that's the reality of the situation. We'll talk later when we're in the CFP as the Big 12 rep and you're in the Bahamas Toilet Bowl as the 6th ranked B1G rep. He who laughs last, laughs best.
Of COURSE it did. How do you think the Pac-12 has secured media rights in the past? Through a total valuation of the value of the media rights. The UC's own bitter report over USC's departure estimated that USC's media value represented AT LEAST 1/3 of the value of the conference. USC received 1/12 of the media rights payout, but contributed 1/3 of the amount to be paid. That's a direct subsidy to economically worthless programs like OSU's. So yes, OSU received welfare checks on the back of the value generated by USC, uncontrovertibly. And you are now seeing what OSU is worth on the open market -- nothing.
So, in the B1G enjoy sucking on the tit of Ohio State and Michigan, which bring in a lot more viewers and money than USC ever will. Do you even understand the idea of competition? In order to have a viable and entertaining sports program you need opponents that are comparable in talent. Otherwise, boredom ensues. The Yankees made the same arguments as you until Steinbrenner figured out his team had no value without compelling games. If you happen to be located in a a large metro area, the university is not responsible for that large population. It is coincidence. So you share the wealth with programs that happen to be in smaller markets. But greedy people like you don't get that and you think USC is the reason for the size of LA. It is such an enormous joke I can't stop laughing at you.
Untrue. OSU and Michigan bring in significantly more when USC is not playing well. When USC is playing well, it's potentially the most valuable media property in the country. It certainly was when Pete Carroll was coach. It's simply a fact that USC exists in a massive media market, and it's simply a fact that USC historically has had vastly more success than any other program in the PAC. As a result, USC is a vastly more valuable program and has subsidized the Pac forever. It's hilarious that you just discount the historical dominance of USC's performance on the field as at LEAST as much of a driver to its value than the happy circumstance of being located in LA.
USC could have been like Texas was in the Big 12 and demanded a disproportionate share (but didn't). USC finally stood up for itself and bargained for what it deserved. What's particularly funny here is that you think a USC-OSU matchup is more compelling than a USC Penn State/Ohio State/Michigan/Wisconsin/Michigan State/Iowa match up is. That's EXACTLY why USC went to the B1G -- more money, and WAY more compelling matchups.
It is not "simply a fact" that USC has had "vastly more success" than any other football program in the PAC (but it is Simply a Lie). USC has NOT subsidized the conference "forever" (another Lie). Bowl game income has been shared for decades. Broadcast money did not even become a "thing" until the last 20-30 years. You are using John McKay's success to bolster your argument and that was a 10 year run 50 years ago during the late 60s and early 70s. Oregon has had the best record the past 20 years. Colorado and Washington had better ten year records in the two decades in the 80s and 90s. ASU had the best conference record in the mid to late 70s
Of course it is simply a fact. You don't get to pick out windows where one program or another were a blip for short amounts of time. We have vastly more Rose Bowls, vastly more All Americans, vastly more NFL draft picks, vastly more national titles, and are far and away the most successful program in the history of the Pac and one of the Top 3-5 all time nationally. Oregon has had the "best record" for 20 years -- and no titles (less than SC), three Rose Bowls (less than SC), and six Top 10 finishes (less than SC). And this is its best period EVER. USC has had multiple eras this good or better. ASU's nifty little "run" in the late 70's was an exceedingly short blip. Colorado utterly fell off the map after the 80's, as did Washington after the 90's. And in the 80's and 90's SC was STILL winning Rose Bowls and conference titles.
You do realize that bowl income and TV revenue from television contracts are different things, right? The deal SC is leaving, as paltry as it is, was only what it was because of USC. If we relied on OSU, we'd be getting paid MWC dollars, like you're about to.
And here, my friends, is the problem with American college sports. Nothing but all the $$ to the biggest city. Greed trumps all. Not even the NFL is this corrupt. Wrapped up in a nice package with a bow on top.
It's only wrong if you don't like the outcome. If this is the game, and it is, then it would be malpractice on the part of an elite athletic program like USC not to play it. Sitting back and getting some horseshit TV contract negotiated by the Pac's bumbling commissioner was not an option just for funsies and to protect OSU. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.
USC hardly "hurts my feelings". They are too much of a joke for that as are their fans for supporting this perversion. So what you are saying is USC could not compete on its own merits, despite its enormous viewership and the size of its natural recruiting turf. USC need a life rope from the B1G in order to be "saved" as an "elite" program. Let me help you out here. The B1G is not going to save USC or Oregon. They invited you to their conference to feed on your carcass, just like they did Nebraska, which was relevant at about the same time as USC. Getting rejuvenated by joining the B1G is a mirage. Enjoy eating the sand.
No, I am actually am a person with integrity who values loyalty to one another. Without that you have America in 2023. You fit right in with the corruption and selfishness that marks our current culture. No one cares about USC’s football program outside of entertainment. It has stopped being an interesting story. Just more prostitution of young athletes so some corporate exec can make a bunch of blood money
I am sure you quite loved getting welfare checks from USC for your non revenue generating irrelevant program for the last generation and are pissed off that you will be banished to the MWC. Reminds me of the teenager who realizes they have to work for the first time. What was "selfish" was programs like OSU demanding generation after generation that USC split revenue evenly. Now, the truth is laid bare. Your program is worthless. Enjoy the $4 million annual payout in the MWC.
USC never wrote anyone a check. What a lie which says quite a bit about you as a person. You are just another greedy, self-absorbed so-called fan who enables people like Larry Scott and the leadership at USC and UCLA to leverage public universities for their own personal gain. This is the sad state of personal ethics, let's call it the "Hunter Biden syndrome", that is gutting our entire society. I can see you are right up there leading the way.
I wonder how many checks USC was writing those seasons when there were 20-25K in the Coliseum for home games. They must have had to reach really deep into their wallets. The hubris is just staggering.
I'll take things that have happened under 5 times in the history of USC's program for $100 Alex. Aside from your claim just being an outright lie, media value is not driven by people in the stands in significant part. The hubris is actually Utah fan's. You're 0-4 in your last four bowl games, including getting absolutely waxed back-to-back in the Rose Bowl. In the midst of our worst coach ever, even *we* won an epic Rose Bowl and finished Top 3, something you've done once in the entire *history* of your program. The entirety of your existence is wrapped up in a few seasons. Call it arrogance if you like; I call it results on the field. I know you'd like to memory-hole everything prior to 2020, but that's not how this works.
Do you call "getting waxed" losing to Ohio State by a FG in essentially the last play of the game? A game in which our starting QB missed a significant portion of the 4th QTR with an injury and where 3/4 of our starting defensive backfield was out due to injuries. Do you call "getting waxed" losing to Penn State by 14 points in a game where our starting QB missed almost the entirety of the second half due to injury and we were missing our best offensive (Dalton Kincaid -1st RD pick of the Bills) and defensive player (Clark Phillips III - 4th RD pick of the Falcons)? It is takes like these that make USC and its fanbase amongst the most widely despised in football. You have a total, cavalier disdain for facts that is, again, just staggering. I'm personally going to take an interest in seeing your soft SoCal team get its hat and coat handed to it on a weekly basis by the B1G. Good luck filling those stands and getting eyeballs on your product in the midst 4-6 win seasons.
Cool cool. So when all you hick dumbshits were lording over SC last year when a horrid penalty call gave you the first game by a point and yukking it up when our Heisman QB pulled up lame as he was about to waltz into the end zone to put USC up 21-3 in the first quarter as equally unfortunate for USC, right? Caleb couldn't run; couldn't even plant for the last three quarters of that game. I mean of course you would if you weren't a rank hypocrite. Win something, anything, ever, except the one glorious season in the sun against USC. Until then, leave the chat.
Typical USC douchebag...how about you win something that isn't in a black and white photo or paid for? You and the rest of the USC schmucks are living in the past. You're never going to win anything else in the history of your program and the B1G boys are going to have your asses for lunch. Your QB is a reflection of your classless fanbase and shit hole city. He's an entitled, weakass clown that puts a towel over his head and cries every time when things don't go his way. You ever see Rising do that? Or Nix? Or Penix? Or Ward? Or any other QB in the PAC? No, just your guy from DC. Win something, anything? We stomped your pathetic asses in Vegas. Y'all lucky as f&$# that Kyle is a generous guy or we would have dropped "fity' plus on you. How's that for winning something? You and the rest of the USC crack addicts, illegals and hobos at that game were wolfing shit, talking CFP and then, just like that, the roof collapsed on your head. That's how every game is going to feel like in the B1G, so get used to it. Bye now...
Thanks for proving that "winning something" to a Ute fan is beating USC. That's because Utah is today and has always been a second rate program. Do you still wear your Heart of Dallas and Foster Farm bowl t shirts? I used to keep my Rose Bowl shirts until there got to be too many, so I can sorta relate....sorta.
Dude, get a grip... USC was just the opponent in the game...why is it that you USC fans think that the world revolves around you? Personally, I haven't thought about USC as a worthy opponent until last year. Prior to that, the Utes' focus lay squarely on Washington and Oregon, the two elite teams in the conference. Let's face it, USC has been an irrelevant program since they got their hands caught in the cookie jar way back when. As I told your backup dancer, Utah is never going back to being a "second-rate" program due to the population growth in the state and the popularity of HS football here. Do you keep track of college recruiting? If you did, you'd see that Utah has been improving year to year and are now in the Top 20. If you look at Utah's recruiting and that of all of the teams in the Big 12 for the last five years, Utah is on top and the only team even close to them in TCU. Therefore, it's way more likely that USC reverts to an also-ran in the B1G than Utah does so in the Big 12. Explain to me how you're going to compete against teams that recruit better than you, have deeper pockets than you, and have larger fan bases than you? It's just not logical and ain't happening buddy.
What a perfect distillation of inflated self importance and lack of knowledge. So, Washington is an "elite" team because they have precisely two seasons in the last 2 decades with 2 losses. They're "elite" to you because they've utterly owned your ass head-to-head. They are not elite in any objective sense and haven't been since the 90's. They haven't won a Rose Bowl for over 20 years.
Do I keep track of college recruiting? More than you, that's for sure. Again, Utah fan showing hard core recency bias because you have ONE class where you've finally cracked the Top 30, and you're celebrating...truly hilarious. Congrats on having relatively good recruiting rankings relative to the carcass of a formerly strong conference.
Only in Magic Underwear land does someone think that a program fresh off a Heisman and 11 wins in Year One of a new program, cranking in Top 5 recruiting classes and on its way to a Top 2 conference is *more* likely to be rendered irrelevant than a program who cracked the Top 30 for the first time and is on its way to a conference that's just been gutted.
I'll explain exactly how USC will compete and excel. I have generations of data to support this claim. When USC is led by a good coach, it recruits as well as any program in the country. USC's pockets are as deep as any program in the country -- we are paying Riley 10 million a year and about to build a new athletics facility that's going to cost 100's of millions. USC's NIL program stands up to any program in the country, saving those in the south who just throw straight up bags of money. That's how. It's real simple. I don't have to hope and cross my fingers like Utah fan does that we'll be elite because we recruit better than Iowa State.
Dan, your team hasn't won jack since Pete Carroll had a full head of dark hair. I don't want to hear about the things you could do or may do...they usually mean squat. The reality is that you, and other USC fans like you, are coming out of the woodwork even though you were a three loss team last year... that's how irrelevant your program has been. Both Washington and Oregon have been heads and shoulders above USC since the PAC 12 was instituted, and that's the reality of the situation. We'll talk later when we're in the CFP as the Big 12 rep and you're in the Bahamas Toilet Bowl as the 6th ranked B1G rep. He who laughs last, laughs best.
Of COURSE it did. How do you think the Pac-12 has secured media rights in the past? Through a total valuation of the value of the media rights. The UC's own bitter report over USC's departure estimated that USC's media value represented AT LEAST 1/3 of the value of the conference. USC received 1/12 of the media rights payout, but contributed 1/3 of the amount to be paid. That's a direct subsidy to economically worthless programs like OSU's. So yes, OSU received welfare checks on the back of the value generated by USC, uncontrovertibly. And you are now seeing what OSU is worth on the open market -- nothing.
So, in the B1G enjoy sucking on the tit of Ohio State and Michigan, which bring in a lot more viewers and money than USC ever will. Do you even understand the idea of competition? In order to have a viable and entertaining sports program you need opponents that are comparable in talent. Otherwise, boredom ensues. The Yankees made the same arguments as you until Steinbrenner figured out his team had no value without compelling games. If you happen to be located in a a large metro area, the university is not responsible for that large population. It is coincidence. So you share the wealth with programs that happen to be in smaller markets. But greedy people like you don't get that and you think USC is the reason for the size of LA. It is such an enormous joke I can't stop laughing at you.
Untrue. OSU and Michigan bring in significantly more when USC is not playing well. When USC is playing well, it's potentially the most valuable media property in the country. It certainly was when Pete Carroll was coach. It's simply a fact that USC exists in a massive media market, and it's simply a fact that USC historically has had vastly more success than any other program in the PAC. As a result, USC is a vastly more valuable program and has subsidized the Pac forever. It's hilarious that you just discount the historical dominance of USC's performance on the field as at LEAST as much of a driver to its value than the happy circumstance of being located in LA.
USC could have been like Texas was in the Big 12 and demanded a disproportionate share (but didn't). USC finally stood up for itself and bargained for what it deserved. What's particularly funny here is that you think a USC-OSU matchup is more compelling than a USC Penn State/Ohio State/Michigan/Wisconsin/Michigan State/Iowa match up is. That's EXACTLY why USC went to the B1G -- more money, and WAY more compelling matchups.
It is not "simply a fact" that USC has had "vastly more success" than any other football program in the PAC (but it is Simply a Lie). USC has NOT subsidized the conference "forever" (another Lie). Bowl game income has been shared for decades. Broadcast money did not even become a "thing" until the last 20-30 years. You are using John McKay's success to bolster your argument and that was a 10 year run 50 years ago during the late 60s and early 70s. Oregon has had the best record the past 20 years. Colorado and Washington had better ten year records in the two decades in the 80s and 90s. ASU had the best conference record in the mid to late 70s
Of course it is simply a fact. You don't get to pick out windows where one program or another were a blip for short amounts of time. We have vastly more Rose Bowls, vastly more All Americans, vastly more NFL draft picks, vastly more national titles, and are far and away the most successful program in the history of the Pac and one of the Top 3-5 all time nationally. Oregon has had the "best record" for 20 years -- and no titles (less than SC), three Rose Bowls (less than SC), and six Top 10 finishes (less than SC). And this is its best period EVER. USC has had multiple eras this good or better. ASU's nifty little "run" in the late 70's was an exceedingly short blip. Colorado utterly fell off the map after the 80's, as did Washington after the 90's. And in the 80's and 90's SC was STILL winning Rose Bowls and conference titles.
You do realize that bowl income and TV revenue from television contracts are different things, right? The deal SC is leaving, as paltry as it is, was only what it was because of USC. If we relied on OSU, we'd be getting paid MWC dollars, like you're about to.
And here, my friends, is the problem with American college sports. Nothing but all the $$ to the biggest city. Greed trumps all. Not even the NFL is this corrupt. Wrapped up in a nice package with a bow on top.
It's only wrong if you don't like the outcome. If this is the game, and it is, then it would be malpractice on the part of an elite athletic program like USC not to play it. Sitting back and getting some horseshit TV contract negotiated by the Pac's bumbling commissioner was not an option just for funsies and to protect OSU. I'm sorry that hurts your feelings.
USC hardly "hurts my feelings". They are too much of a joke for that as are their fans for supporting this perversion. So what you are saying is USC could not compete on its own merits, despite its enormous viewership and the size of its natural recruiting turf. USC need a life rope from the B1G in order to be "saved" as an "elite" program. Let me help you out here. The B1G is not going to save USC or Oregon. They invited you to their conference to feed on your carcass, just like they did Nebraska, which was relevant at about the same time as USC. Getting rejuvenated by joining the B1G is a mirage. Enjoy eating the sand.
No, I am actually am a person with integrity who values loyalty to one another. Without that you have America in 2023. You fit right in with the corruption and selfishness that marks our current culture. No one cares about USC’s football program outside of entertainment. It has stopped being an interesting story. Just more prostitution of young athletes so some corporate exec can make a bunch of blood money