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Orange Sunshine's avatar

What is your opinion of Boise State football?

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The Real Rich's avatar

Excellent addition. So was Gonzaga from a BB standpoint. I'm perfectly capable of being intellectually honest. Too bad you can't...and too bad the Pac-12 diminished their brand with Utah State and Colorado State, while looking like sheer amateurs getting publicly rejected by Memphis, Air Force, UNLV and Tulane. Who's next - Grand Canyon State?

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EA Flash's avatar

Even though there are absolutely no legitimate reports of the Pac-12 pursuing Grand Canyon University, your dismissal of them is laughable and illustrates you know nothing about college Olympic sports.

Grand Canyon has played in the NCAA baseball tournament in three of the past four seasons.

Grand Canyon University has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament in three of the last four seasons.

Grand Canyon University's women's basketball team has won 21 or more games in each of the past three seasons.

Grand Canyon University's men's soccer program has appeared in three NCAA tournaments since 2018.

Grand Canyon University's softball team has played in three consecutive NCAA tournaments.

Grand Canyon doesn't play football, but it's other teams are excellent.

Memphis is coming. Just wait.

Why did you return to here after a two- or three-week absence? You were not missed.

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Orange Sunshine's avatar

Only temporarily rejected by Memphis. The thought is Memphis said "No" to the initial offer in round 1, that's all. Memphis wants more money, and the Pac12 has the cash. CFB realignment is in a constant state of flux as it continues to evolve. Be patient Grasshopper, the Pac12 will bring Memphis into the fold.

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BackDoor's avatar

The Pac is doing the right thing right now in getting some better media value numbers. Memphis is in the trust but verify category, as it should be. The Pac should also be doing some analysis of the quality of work of its "consultants." The Pac and Memphis both need to trust the quality of their work.

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The Real Rich's avatar

I don't see Memphis as adding value to a conference brand unless you're just fine with mediocrity. And it appears you are by adding Utah State and Colorado State...and courting Grand Canyon State (pardon me, while a clean-up a snot bubble right about here just thinking about Grand Canyon State - LMAO!)

BTW - you're assuming Memphis ever does accept - you're making a big leap in judgment, here...corky.

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chris's avatar

Grand Canyon is only being courted by the news media. No one is serious about that one.

Colorado State brings the Denver market. Also consider that as soon as Deion leaves, CSU will be the more popular school.

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Jim Burns's avatar

Who would you have added?

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David Mead's avatar

Great question. Being a critic is the easiest job in the world.

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The Real Rich's avatar

First, I wouldn't have been so stupid and lazy to allow the conference to blow up. Now that's out of the way, the answer to your question is UNLV, Boise State, San Diego State, brought SMU back (they wanted to be invited before accepting an invitation to the ACC), made offers to Cal and Stanford, Gonzaga. I think Tulane was a good target, but the Pac-12 didn't do their homework and publicly embarrassed themselves.

O.K., David Meade - you can now be the critic...can't wait.

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chris's avatar

The conference imploded because some schools were never really on board.

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Jim Burns's avatar

OSU and WSU had zero power to control the break up of the Pac 12. Part of the problem? You bet, equally shared by the other 10 but certainly had no ability on their own to save the conference. Now that that's out of the way, once the conference broke the Pac 2 had zero to offer SMU compared to the ACC. You really think SMU would have aligned themselves with another G5 level conference and turned down a P4 offer? Get real, Rich. Lastly, it wasn't about any offer to Cal and Stanford. You really think OSU and WSU didn't have those conversations with Cal and Stanford before they left. They wanted nothing to do with any conference containing MWC teams or Memphis. Your solutions seem to ignore reality.

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David Mead's avatar

Good points Jim, and I agree we did not pull our weight compared to others in the PAC. I would accept the alignment and members Rich proposed but I agree key participants in that plan were not on the table. Not being on the inside I don't fault the addition of Utah St but don't love it. The option of waiting for others to fall in our lap is dangerous but we need an 8th football playing member. ULNV or Memphis may be the best options.

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