Appreciate your diligent work on this topic, John. I find it so fascinating...and yet, with a deep sigh I remember thinking not that long ago: gosh, this CFB product is so great--and unlike the NFL, it's not all business, all money! I wonder how long it will last? Got my answer, I guess...
At this point I just wish whatever is going to happens happens. It is kinda funny. The Big 12 talking heads on the net can't decide from one day to the next if they are the fish or the worm. My wish is the Pac 12 takes San Diego State and UNLV (or Fresno State) and merges with the Big 12. Strength in numbers and if the poachers come knocking again in the future at least they will not be wiped off the map if they lose some teams.
UO and UW hold the keys to the future of the PAC - even more than ESPN. If they are willing to sign a new GOR binding them to the conference for a longer term then I don't think anyone will leave. Money in the B12 shouldn't be better than a PAC 10 that has UO, UW, Stanford and Utah. There are a lot of alumni from those schools that live in SoCal and will watch games - SC and UCLA don't control that entire market. But iF UO and UW want to keep their options open and refuse to sign a new GOR then all bets are off and the conference will likely fold.
I've never read such delusion. The ACC GOR is iron clad for the next 14 years. ESPN has NO incentive to change their contract with the ACC...NONE. There will be no alliance with the PAC10. ESPN is not going to give the PAC10 $30M per school in a new deal. So. Cal is gone with USC. Quit being such snobs and idiots and let WA, OR, AZ, UT go to the Big 12. Play in a much less isolated corner of the world. The new contract in the Big 12 will pay over $50M per university per year. And they can be the third behind the SEC and B1G. And additional money is coming with the expansion of the CFP, which oh, by the way, the PAC12 botched with the goofy non-contractual "alliance" with the B1G and ACC. Let the adults get things done, PAC10. You're as dead as disco.
Fresno State has a huge television market which they cover from Bakersfield all the way up to Sacramento. Makes so much sense to get them in the Pac 12!
Well I think the pac 12 be called pacific coast conference. Try to bring BSU BYU and SD state for football and add team Gonzaga and Saint Mary’s for all sports.
@John Canzano Would love to hear what your former Fox exec thinks the new BIG XII TV deal will look like, especially compared to a potential PAC 10 deal.
While I like some of the potential match ups with a Pac 12-ACC "alliance" some others won't be all that intriguing. Oregon State-Wake Forest. Washington State Syracuse. Cal-Pitt. But, the marquis match ups might make it all palatable.
Everyone has been referencing a “partnership” or “alliance” with the ACC as a potential outcome to all this - is it crazy to think that a full-blown merger with the ACC could be possible? I know this would let all the ACC schools out of their grant of rights and could allow the SEC or Big10 to poach a few teams of their liking; however the remaining PAC and ACC tv markets would make for quite the media rights deal (I believe 10 of the top 30 markets nationwide). I’ve also read that the SEC and Big10 have at least said that they are planning to hold steady with the number of teams in each league. How true that is remains anyone’s guess.
In a full-blown merger with the ACC, I don’t think people should be too quick to dismiss the idea of Tiering schools. The reality is that schools like Oregon State (and I’m a Beav), Washington State, Wake Forest, Boston College, etc. don’t bring as much value to the conference as other schools might. By taking a smaller share of an ACC PAC media deal, it would allow the critical schools to collect media revenue that might get them closer to what the Big10 and SEC schools are getting, which may curb their desire to bolt for “greener pastures”. I have to think that the Beavs share (albeit reduced) of an ACC PAC media deal would be immensely more palatable than being relegated to the Mountain West and getting $2 million annually in media revenue.
Appreciate your diligent work on this topic, John. I find it so fascinating...and yet, with a deep sigh I remember thinking not that long ago: gosh, this CFB product is so great--and unlike the NFL, it's not all business, all money! I wonder how long it will last? Got my answer, I guess...
And the Larry Scott stink still permeates college athletics.
At this point I just wish whatever is going to happens happens. It is kinda funny. The Big 12 talking heads on the net can't decide from one day to the next if they are the fish or the worm. My wish is the Pac 12 takes San Diego State and UNLV (or Fresno State) and merges with the Big 12. Strength in numbers and if the poachers come knocking again in the future at least they will not be wiped off the map if they lose some teams.
UO and UW hold the keys to the future of the PAC - even more than ESPN. If they are willing to sign a new GOR binding them to the conference for a longer term then I don't think anyone will leave. Money in the B12 shouldn't be better than a PAC 10 that has UO, UW, Stanford and Utah. There are a lot of alumni from those schools that live in SoCal and will watch games - SC and UCLA don't control that entire market. But iF UO and UW want to keep their options open and refuse to sign a new GOR then all bets are off and the conference will likely fold.
I've never read such delusion. The ACC GOR is iron clad for the next 14 years. ESPN has NO incentive to change their contract with the ACC...NONE. There will be no alliance with the PAC10. ESPN is not going to give the PAC10 $30M per school in a new deal. So. Cal is gone with USC. Quit being such snobs and idiots and let WA, OR, AZ, UT go to the Big 12. Play in a much less isolated corner of the world. The new contract in the Big 12 will pay over $50M per university per year. And they can be the third behind the SEC and B1G. And additional money is coming with the expansion of the CFP, which oh, by the way, the PAC12 botched with the goofy non-contractual "alliance" with the B1G and ACC. Let the adults get things done, PAC10. You're as dead as disco.
MA in Humanities and a teaching certificate in '76. I had siblings at AHS through '75. Can't say I remember you, but you know about retired memories.
Fresno State has a huge television market which they cover from Bakersfield all the way up to Sacramento. Makes so much sense to get them in the Pac 12!
Lots of “What If’s”
John, don't you think a championship game that rotated between Vegas and Atlanta in alternate years would be more attractive to the ACC?
Well I think the pac 12 be called pacific coast conference. Try to bring BSU BYU and SD state for football and add team Gonzaga and Saint Mary’s for all sports.
Too many scenarios for me. Makes my head swim. I’ll just wait to see what I get to see when…if? Crazy world.
Guilty as charged. So is Scott, in my opinion. And I agree that George was lied to.
@John Canzano Would love to hear what your former Fox exec thinks the new BIG XII TV deal will look like, especially compared to a potential PAC 10 deal.
I would like to see a BigPAC would make some good matchups
While I like some of the potential match ups with a Pac 12-ACC "alliance" some others won't be all that intriguing. Oregon State-Wake Forest. Washington State Syracuse. Cal-Pitt. But, the marquis match ups might make it all palatable.
Everyone has been referencing a “partnership” or “alliance” with the ACC as a potential outcome to all this - is it crazy to think that a full-blown merger with the ACC could be possible? I know this would let all the ACC schools out of their grant of rights and could allow the SEC or Big10 to poach a few teams of their liking; however the remaining PAC and ACC tv markets would make for quite the media rights deal (I believe 10 of the top 30 markets nationwide). I’ve also read that the SEC and Big10 have at least said that they are planning to hold steady with the number of teams in each league. How true that is remains anyone’s guess.
In a full-blown merger with the ACC, I don’t think people should be too quick to dismiss the idea of Tiering schools. The reality is that schools like Oregon State (and I’m a Beav), Washington State, Wake Forest, Boston College, etc. don’t bring as much value to the conference as other schools might. By taking a smaller share of an ACC PAC media deal, it would allow the critical schools to collect media revenue that might get them closer to what the Big10 and SEC schools are getting, which may curb their desire to bolt for “greener pastures”. I have to think that the Beavs share (albeit reduced) of an ACC PAC media deal would be immensely more palatable than being relegated to the Mountain West and getting $2 million annually in media revenue.