The game followed the script to perfection. It sucked the maximum number of Duck's fans into believing their team was massively better than the Beavers, and then the Beavers, having given up 3 turnovers and suffering very poor officiating, stormed back and slammed the door shut on Duck Dreams. It was SO satisfying a way for the Beavs to win. But hey, Ducks, there is always next year.
Yes it was a beautiful thing to watch for sure. 4th quarter OSU remembered hey, we're a run team! Then proceeded to shove the ball down their throats like they should have all game.
OSU had 3 pac-12 losses and Ducks 2. Beavers got buried at Utah and Ducks beat Utes. Smith does not know about kicking field goals, in places that are horror for OSU, like Seattle and Los Angeles. He has no idea what a signal caller is like. His four picks sealed the loss at home in Corvallis to USC. He forgot to take his team to Utah. One field goal in Seattle from the 10 yard line 2 times could have brought a victory. Three pac-12 losses is nothing to be proud of unless you are a beaver believer, and pretend 3 victories last year in men's basketball is a good season. tinkling on themselves is something baby Beavs should be getting used to. It is a steady saying in Corvallis that next year is the year. In any sport? Like the track and field team that isn't? The basketball arena Kareem Abdul Jabbar played at in 1967 that I can never forget seeing? Gary Payton and Ralph Miller in 1990? Another year of Tinkle in Gill Coliseum? Losses already this season 2 times to mighty Portland State for the Beavers mens basketball team? They came out on top three times last season, and brought back Mr. Peed on himself, the mighty Mr. Tinkle? 3 times not losing, last year and he gets an encore? Please OSU say it ain't so! Beaver hoops in absolute toilet again out of entire USA? They should be deported back to junior varsity high school level. Or, at least to the Big Sky, Not possible to stay in the pac-12 for basketball. Bill may still call it the conference of champions, but he again fails to state the sport he refers to. Might be competitive cheer or anything that brings in zero revenue to the school. Ooooossssuuu p.u. Go Ducks!
I have never seen a Duck more obsessed with the Beavers. We have a room rent free in your head, as the saying goes. It is really funny. And you always go back to 1990 (conveniently, because that is when Phil K started pouring money into the Ducks, which before were pretty average in every sport). I suppose Phil remembered the beat downs the Ducks took in football at the hands of OSU in the 1950s and 60s and the Beavs live in his head, too. Then there was a two decade wasteland in the 70s and 80s for both programs, due to regional changes in the sport, primarily the inclusion of African-Americans, long overdue. When Phil made his fortune when Nike went public, his single most important cause has been his alma mater. Good for him and good for you. It has nothing to do with you but you are the beneficiary of Phil's obsession. It won't last. He is getting up in age and OSU grads make millions too. The tide has permanently turned, in my estimation. OSU is the larger school with more tradition and sports has now risen to the top at OSU in priority. Our day has come. Sorry for your pain.
Wow brother, just wow. Do yo talk this much trash about all of the other P12 teams, my guess is not. The fact is the Ducks had a far easier P12 schedule- no USC, Utah and WA at home. Your toughest road games were WA State and.... OSU. You nearly lost to WA State, but they Couged it. Then your team came to Reser and got beat- even with our QB gift wrapping two INT's. You can keep deflecting to say how bad the basketball team was last year, and appears to be this year- you'll get no argument from me there. But in the end our football team dominated yours in the first and fourth quarters in the only real Civil War game that matters, and owned the scoreboard when the clock showed zeros. It's a tough pill to swallow, but there it is- I suggest swallowing it quickly and quietly.
Good one...not sure what the basketball team has to do with the Civil War game. Nothing. But Mr Duck keeps bringing it up. Might as well bring up the baseball program then. The Beavs own the Ducks on the diamond. Back to basketball, I am afraid Tinkle is not the answer everyone hoped. He is like a throwback to Ralph Miller in terms of game structure (half court game channeled through a big man) and discipline. That probably does not work in 2022. Miller's secret was bringing African-American players to OSU. Previously the program was lily white in what became an urban-dominated game. Now, the change is to basketball the kids will enjoy playing (up tempo) so that the better urban kids can be recruited to a quasi-rural environment. Recruiting in African and East European nations is also a winner. This can work. Eugene is hardly more black or urban than Corvallis and so that is not the reason for their success. And Gonzaga is a top 16 program year after year in Eastern Washington. There is a formula out there that will work, but Tinkle doesn't have it. He can't rely on the kids of his assistants to get to the Sweet 16. I think the team should move on and keep looking for the secret sauce for b-ball.
Nobody talks about it, but can we all agree the OSU staff is the best in the Pac 12 at developing talent and creating culture? Eight 4/5 star recruits to Oregon's fifty two.
Interesting statement. It might be true due to Whittingham's head start at Utah (year 18). But, as you say, Smith is closing the gap, fast. He improved the DC this year with Bray. His special teams aren't bad, could be better (kicker). The O line is consistently terrific under Michalczik. The secondary and LBs are also very good, year in and out. RBs and WRs have been solid all the way back to the early Riley era (Simonton, Jackson, Housh and Chad). The big talent gap has been the D line, forever and, surprisingly, at QB. Riley seemed to always come up with a top QB and had the recruiting pipeline. Smith, an OC for Washington prior, should have it and doesn't. He needs to start landing 4 star QBs. 3s just don't have the talent to contend in the Top 20 every year. (QB is heavily scouted by recruiters, is very measurable in HS and so there are no real secret gems to develop). But with his personal background and increasing game success, I am certain Smith will get his 4s and maybe even a 5 at QB. Its coming.
A game for the Ages. I have been a Beaver most of my long life, and this is one of the most satisfying wins I have been a part of. Jonathan Smith is a class act and exactly what the Beavers have needed.
Thank you for this game summary. I believe this program is 100% about Jonathan Smith. I was a huge fan in 2000 and am a huge fan now, one of his biggest boosters, though he will never know it. Smith is everything you want in a college coach: determined, competitive, intelligent, modest, over-achieving, inspiring, dependable. Any kid would want to play for him. And the more he wins, the easier it will be to get the best to commit to OSU, especially if the AD can attract some big donors to help fund the NIL program and increasingly so. What can Smith do with the talent level the Ducks are able to recruit? I can tell you. He will have a top 5 national program and contend with Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State for national championships. Jonathan Smith is that good of a coach and, I am sure, a person too.
It looks like Jonathan might be following in Pat Casey's footsteps. Finds "HIS" type of guys, builds a mental and physical toughness mindset and is just "Better" than your team on game day!!!
Very accurate take. The Beavs deserved to win today. They played clean, hard, physical football for four quarters. If not for their bad throws, the margin could have been larger.
They won the trenches. Our run defense was just bad, despite knowing that was all they could do. It was clear our entire coaching staff was out-coached in all three phases. We had the clear talent advantage, but OSU had heart, experience and some super talented backs as well. They were resilient and the more physical team and you could just feel this was their day.
I really like Lanning, but he has been betting big with house money way too much this season. After a momentum shift it’s his job to stay calm, read the room and get them back in focus by playing sound, fundamental football, to avoid a snowball at all costs.
Instead, when he gets punched in the mouth, he coaches with blind emotion. He calls himself right out of the game. He was playing reactive football when it counted instead of staying true to the plan that got him where he is.
P5 coaches are too good to coach reckless against. He had some plays go his way, but they are ready to exploit his gambles at this point. Hopefully he takes this and uses it to get better. It’s concerning he would make the same catastrophic mistake two weeks apart.
To be fair, Smith is a bit of a gun slinger also but if this were a Western Coach Lanning would be the cocky, young gunfighter calling out Smith at high noon on Main Street. The only thing is Smith looks like he is the fastest gun in the west and has a lot more experience.
Trust me I love an aggressive style, but you have to read the situation. You don’t go for it on 4th down on your 30 with your QB hurt on the road when you’ve been getting stuffed regularly all night and the momentum is strongly against you. And yes, Jonathan Smith has been very impressive with much less to work with. He should get coach of the year.
I agree with you completely, the 4th down play deep in OU side of the feel has to go down as one of the biggest acts of hubris or arrogance I have seen....given that situation.
Reilly got his own QB to come with him, didn't he? It can't be understated what huge advantage that has been for him. Smith, to my knowledge, had nothing close to that type of advantage. Hands down, JS should be Pac 12 Coach of the Year.
Yeah, like Phil Knight has nor been buying Oregons success over the years. Now putting players names on shoes. Give me a break. NIL does not compare to Knights hundreds of millions in Oregon facilities over the years. Without that money, your team would be like Portland State. Oregon has been best team money could buy and you now don't like some competition. Glad OSU won BTW.
this is voted on by the conference coaches right? Sure Reilly deserves the award like a couple of others but the move by USC to the BIG 10 puts USC in a pariah status. It also places many of us in a very compromised position of having to hope USC goes to the CFP so we can move up to a better bowl.
I am not going to let my pride ruin anything and I will be cheering for USC going forward, but it will be like eating brussels sprouts.
The USC boosters NIL fund is what cause their turnaround. They went out and brought in (2) Five stars and (5) Four stars along with (12) Three stars for the best Portal class in Div 1. Was that Reilly? No. That was NIL money ($2.5M for Williams alone) and the attraction of Hollywood. How does that make Reilly a great coach. He was smart enough to take the job, but nobody had to coach up a bunch of 3s and a few 2s like Jonathan Smith
I am lifelong Beaver fan and was at the game. This is a really articulate comment. Lanning can coach. He will learn and continue to improve. I would love to see these 2 go at once a year for the next decade!!
Ed, the 1 statistic that matters is the final score but the Ducks won every statistical match up and the Ducks have a Blue Chip roster and the Beavs do not.
The game in Corvallis was nothing like playing 'at' Georgia.
But hats off to the Beavs who won the LOS and to the coaching staff that out-coached the Ducks staff.
Hey JJ…. Blue chip recruit does not mean college talent.
Oregon is living proof of that.
There are no moral victories in a loss. Especially one in quick your team got FREEKIN hammered!
John. I coach football. High school. We were O-23 when we took over. Thanks to my head coach and the coaches that all bought in we created a culture of winning with less “blue chips”BTW had a front row seat to watching Utah DESTROY the Ducks twice.
Ed, there are no 'moral victories' in big time CFB.
To be more articulate, I hope, the Oregon roster by rankings is superior to that of the Beavers but that means nothing when it comes to coaching and desire.
I am really happy to see what J Smith is doing in Corvallis and hope he is a long-timer who won't leave for B1G/SEC $.
The sad thing about this win is that the Oregonian tomorrow will have 24 headlines about various BS articles about the Ducks...Ducks this, Ducks that. 'Bout time to get on the Orange Express. The great thing is - Jonathan Smith has turned this program around and they are winners. The expectation of Beaver fans is changing right now. This was a tremendous effort by the OSU team - a defense who bent but didn't break when it mattered, and an offense who decided they could run the ball down Oregon's throat. Nice win Beavs.
PAC12 After Dark, ESPN, etc all only talked about UO's loss, and not OSU's win... frustrating since this will likely place us around #15... its not like we were a bottom dweller with an unexpected upset, we were expected to win the game -1 at the onset.
It will take even longer for the likes of Sportscasters to give us proper respect... but in a way it might be better for us, helps us keep awesome coaches like Bray longer and stops other teams from trying to poach us in the portal.
Ease up Bucky, the story was very even handed. Get over your insecurities because OSU is for real and as long as Smith is the coach, Beaver fans will be happy year in and year out.
Going for it on fourth down may have been unwise, but the Ducks punting game was a disaster, so I don't completely blame Lanning there. Smith for Pac-12 COY for sure. Lastly, the officiating was a complete embarrassment, AGAIN.
Those two spots that were 3 yards short as well, I will 100% give it to them during play, maybe they didn't see it right but not on the challenge, that was in excusable not to see the spot was a good 2+ yards short.
I am so happy for the seniors - this whole season, but particularly this win, has been a testament to their work, their belief, their commitment, their motivation. I will miss every one of them. It's been great to watch them grow up in this program. Cannot say enough about Jonathan Smith and the staff he has put together, the players he has recruited and the culture he has built. I'm sure we'll still have to endure the "little brother" crap from UO fans, but oh this one was sweet. Go Beavs!
Great summary John! You got it all. I’m a Duck fan and it hurts, but the Beavs deserve the win. Really resilient. Ducks couldn’t get out of their own way. A game for the history books. What’s it called again? Let’s come to our senses and go back to the “Civil War” Per dictionary.com :“ a war between citizens of the same country.”
I couldn’t and still can’t believe it. I asked my wife in shock, “ victory formation?!!” The best game all year, hands down, best damn football game all year
Recruiting class hype is getting old. Having coaches (last year Mario, this year Dillingham) with their feet out the door and phoning it in is old. Helfrich lost to UW and OSU and it got him fired. Certainly Lanning shouldn’t go anywhere - but it ought to register how important these games are, and that slop and lack of attention don’t get it done. Now have to endurefor a year of the “lunch bucket U” OSU crap. But hats off to them, the embarrassed us and earned it. Smith is for real.
It can get worse for the Ducks. The only thing keeping the Beavs from Top 10 status every year is money. It will take money, going forward, to attract and keep the best recruits with NIL in place. The Beavs coaching staff is maybe the best in the Pac 12 and one of the best in the country. Kids go where they get the best coaching for a chance at the next level. But now, with NIL, they also will be looking for what package they can get while in college. There is no reason OSU can't match U of O going forward and get a good share of 4s and a 5 or two along the way. So buckle up Ducks. The days of having the state of Oregon to yourselves is over.
There’s no reason OSU can’t match a Oregon in NIL world? How so? I can’t see any reason this won’t continue to be an impactful handicap going forward for OSU. For a FEW kids NIL is a lesser consideration. There’s a huge chasm of a difference between the NIL apparatus at Oregon, several SEC schools, tOSU, Michigan, etc. and OSU, Arizona. ASU, Utah, etc. A booster would know this.
And let’s not pretend that talent doesn’t matter unless a team is satisfied with their ceiling being the PAC 12 Championship game and an occasional Rose Bowl. The statistics don’t support the coach up > talent theory if you want to aspire to a CFP discussion every year. Rebuild v. reload is real and will be for OSU as well because of lack of elite DEPTH talent when 1’s, 2’s and 3’s at key positions get injured.
Like Utah, OSU must have the all-conference type QB to break through to the top tier of the PAC 12. In other years they will be second tier. We’ve already seen this movie in Utah. It’s not a guessing game.
After a decade in the PAC 12, Utah (still the gold standard for the OSUs of the conference), with its annually below average recruiting classes (smattering in a few 4 stars, especially in the transfer portal), but much better facilities than OSUs, still hasn’t won a Rose Bowl and time is running out as Coach Whit. won’t be around forever. Utah won’t be favored in this Rose Bowl (secured by winning or losing the PAC 12 championship this year) by a relatively large margin unless both big boy Big 10 schools sneak into the CFP and Utah is playing the Big 10s #3 school.
Also, I know the thinking is that Coach Smith (or, e.g., OSU’s DC for that matter) will be at OSU forever out of loyalty, etc. But he will have many justifications going forward to take that safety net, family security money. Even true local boy Mike Riley moved on. How long can OSU keep their DC, who was VITAL to at least 4 wins if not more this year? Most elite DC’s are in the NFL. Outside of Georgia and Alabama (1st tier) and to a lesser degree teams like Utah (second tier), most college DCs are merely good.
Whereas, even with coaching turnover everywhere Oregon remains in the discussion every year. Consider that OSU’s breakout year is seen as a disappointing year for Oregon (on the cusp of another Rose Bowl).
Lanning (former wunderkid Georgia DC with an elite coaching tree) will recruit personnel to fit his schemes and will likely take over DC play calling duties or at least have more fingerprints on the game plan and in-game adjustments. An interior defense that played inspired and smothered Utah the week before was out efforted and out schemed a week later against an OSU offense with less talent than Utah. Some of its player maturity, the emotions of the Civil War, and home field, but Oregon’s first year DC Tosh Lupoi is better known as an elite recruiter than a coach. Lanning was observed calling defensive plays against Utah. For some reason he appeared to delegate again against OSU.
Oregon still had a good offensive game against OSU by any standard, run and pass (despite special team snafus and young coach mistakes/gifts to OSU in inexplicable 4th down decisions that were critical to get the upset win) and even with a dual threat QB in Nix with one wheel and largely 3 star coached up players (including a walk-on) on the OL almost all injured (not just dinged up).
OSU will point to the transfer portal as the great equalizer but Oregon will benefit from it as well. USC had 19 transfers last year and are now #4 in the polls from several down years by blue blood standards.
I love what Coach Smith has done. TON of respect. I’m long in the tooth. Great win for OSU and its better than watching blow outs in the Civil War. But a balanced analysis shows that these institutional, built-in liabilities will continue to be real limiters for OSU as the general rule with some exceptions.
Hahahaha. Long winded eyewash. Backhanded compliments. I have a deep knowledge of analytics and research and I recognize a blowhard Duck fan. Coaching and development requires 5 star coaching development. Consistent leadership is the key. Jonathan Smith and OSU have a 5 year head start on Oregon. You cannot project the future with your simplistic and pedestrian analysis. Utah destroyed the “relevant “ Ducks twice last year. DESTROYED the talent laden Ducks . Why? Blame Cristobal? Blame Mullen? Blame Phil? Nope. Blame the culture and the character. The problem at Oregon is consistency and character of culture. Lincoln Riley is a football savant. Dan Lanning
has proven nothing as a head coach. The Duck’s future is gray. Rotating coaches and cultures is a disease. BTW.
As of now, THE OREGON STATE BEAVERS are the more talented team. Winning takes talent.
Well researcher and analytic guy, hit me with data rather than trolling me with sophomoric ad hominem attacks about being a blowhard. I laid out factually supported opinions rather than making conclusory, bare assertions and responding to points I never made.
I didn’t bring up Lincoln Riley except to say that USC hit the transfer portal hard WITH NIL $$$. You called Lincoln Riley a football savant. Okay. Google his Oklahoma teams digressing performance over time on important analytics and metrics before he jumped to USC. There are several articles written by insiders in the know about the slow decline at Oklahoma since Stoops. Riley’s a good QB coach by all accounts and he may be a great HC at USC. Jury is out.
Did Utah destroy Oregon this year (a mere year later)? Pointing to last year (an isolated year) was an interesting straw man argument you set up for me to prove what exactly- that Utah’s program has passed Oregon generally speaking by focusing on results from one year? Please elaborate. Your point about Utah was lost almost immediately by simply looking at the scoreboard (and eyeball test) from the game between Oregon and Utah a week ago. Imagine if Oregon’s dual threat QB Nix wasn’t playing on a week old high ankle sprain suffered in the last minute loss to Washington.
I seem to recall OSU having a few coaches before Smith. Does that point to the character and culture at OSU as well? Of course not. Also, keep in mind that coaches at Oregon were parlaying success to their dream schools, the NFL, etc. Even with all the coaching turnover for these reasons the last several seasons a disappointing season and low water bench mark for Oregon is 9-3. Yeah, that’s a cancerous program for sure (forget the coaching carousel at other blue blood SEC programs who apparently all have the same disease of character and culture).
I actually like Coach Smith. I have been lauding a well coached OSU team all season. I respected Coach Riley for the same reason and I think Coach Whitt. is a Hall of Fame coach at Utah. As a fan I have enough self-esteem and grace to congratulate an OSU win and put an opposing coach on a pedestal while respectfully pushing back against hyperbolic narratives about one program’s purported demise and another program’s long-term ascendancy on some linear line.
But the fact remains that relying on coaching up mostly 3 stars creates a glass ceiling. That’s a statistical fact. I didn’t make it up. I wasn’t saying anything contrarian. If you disagree point to a team with annually subpar recruiting classes that is regularly relevant and has played in at least one CFP game. Not Utah. Their one Rose Bowl appearance was not a CFP game that year. And NIL is much more important to most 5 stars and many 4 stars. It’s not even debatable. Do even cursory research on that topic.
Your bellicose claim that I can’t reliably predict either teams’ future and then in your next breath predicting a “gray future” for Oregon was oddly (but glaringly) internally inconsistent. No?
Winning on a given day probably can’t lend itself to, as you said, simplistic explanations, like, OSU was the more “talented” team. I think you’re on an island with that outlier claim with people who are a lot smarter and plugged in than I am. (One metric for “talent” is the number of players put in the NFL for a given year. That usually ends the discussion.) There are a lot of factors that play into winning and losing a game. Suffice to say OSU won and Oregon lost Saturday. No excuses. I’ve seen well over a half-century of Civil Wars and maybe sample size lends to some balance and perspective without reflexive panicking at losses or winning ungracefully. (Both fan bases have their trolls and any attempt to attribute more insufferable fans to one base over the other is self-serving and subjective.)
You are right that long term success will not be achieved with a boat load of 3 stars. But then again, there is no natural advantage at the U of O over OSU in terms of football or sports in general. It seems that way for anyone under 50 because they don't remember life before Phil. PK is 84. He won't be around forever. As I have said elsewhere, the natural advantages actually are with OSU. The campus is closer to Portland. The student population is larger. The probabilities are there is more alumni money available to develop sports at OSU than Oregon once PK is out of the picture. The only thing that was missing since 1970 was desire within the Admin at OSU. There has been a general contempt for winning sports at OSU as long as I can remember. But at one point in time, before 1975, OSU sports were revered and the school and alumnus paid up (relative to that time). I think we are back to that time. I think OSU alumni are done with getting shown up by their little brothers down the road and are gearing up for big things. Football is half way there and Men's B-Ball needs a restart. But all the other programs have national recognition. Why don't the folks in Eugene ever acknowledge they are well behind OSU in most non-rev sports. I guess Phil can't buy them all
Ed Hill, you are sounding just like the arrogant Duck fans. Casey H. thanks for your balanced comments. Perhaps you two should switch places. Ed, your arrogance would fit fine with the Duckies and Casey you would be accepted as a true Beaver.
I don't get your logic. The guys who will get paid big NIL bucks, the 4s and 5s, are going to go where the money is best. Period. We see this all the time in pro sports. Guys will trade down to a worse team if they make more money. The 3s are just there for a good time, which means to win. So, if your program can buy a decent number of 4s and 5s, say 10-15 on the roster (OSU might normally have one), then the 3s you need to fill out your roster will be there when you ask, because they know you will win with your ration of very good players. And that is what average (for FBS) kids want. They just want to win, which is what makes sports fun. So, the Beavers need to strategize to accumulate the (15) 4s and 5s that make up the core of the team and plan for that cost, and then it will be much easier to improve the D and O line, get the LBs, get a decent TE and win with the 4s and 5s needed in the QB, RB, WR and secondary positions
The chase after NIL misses one HUGE point, not all athletes main priority is money. Many are looking for family, a coaching staff that cares, and the team that is there for each other.
While I don;t want us to turn our backs on NIL, as that would be the death of any program going forward, however let USC and the other flash in the pan programs chase after the prima donnas, in all honestly we can never compete with them in this department, so let Smith find the athletes he has successfully brought and offer something the blue bloods can;t... an atmosphere of family and great coaching... offering something different is where the future of the program is
Trust me on this: the players who are 4 and 5 star are mostly concerned with the money. Who wouldn't be? A lot of these kids are from poorer backgrounds in the inner city. They used to have to wait until the NFL to get paid. Some would get hurt in college and never get drafted. Now they can get a very good payday through the NIL and help secure their own and their family's future. What if a top college pitcher could lock down an NIL of $3M per year. Why would that player rush off to the minor leagues to ride a bus when they can be a hero in the relative comfort of college? This might change the paradigm of OSU being unable to keep its best baseball players and provide more consistency. Not sure why you think OSU can't compete for NIL contracts. Do you think all OSU alums are schlubs? Don't you think any OSU alums create large companies and are worth $ millions?
Mesmerized by Erickson’s comment, love Smith’s stoicism on the sideline even when the tide turned near end of 2nd quarter, how do officials still miss the proper placement after a video review (twice), and how to make sure your punter continues to psych himself out by having zero confidence in him after your comments following Washington loss, and just an unbelievable finish by the Beavers run game!
That spot and then looking on video and CONFIRMING the wrong spot (not as it stands, but confirmed!) should be a fireable offense for the officiating crew.
Great game overall, especially for the Beavers in the fourth quarter! I was really worried after the terrible ball spot by the officials that the Beavs got in the second quarter, and the whole game seemed to shift towards the Ducks at that point. But, the Beavs bounced back and didn’t quit today.
There is a line separating bold play from reckless. Oregon has been reckless a lot this season and I'd say it was a contributing factor today and v the Huskies. I put it on the coaches. Yes, I am a Lanning fan and remain so. But man, learn from your mistakes.
Lanning just proved he is a Mario clone. Incapable of learning from his mistakes. I feel for the kids. They played well enough to win and Lanning handed the Beavs the game. Just like he did with the Dawgs. One more idiot call and I hope Phil dumps his ass. His idiocy will cost us many recruits. Why would good players want to play for fool?
No I can't think that factored in. It was either arrogance or they lost track of the down those can only be the only explanations.... and I think they knew the down
The game followed the script to perfection. It sucked the maximum number of Duck's fans into believing their team was massively better than the Beavers, and then the Beavers, having given up 3 turnovers and suffering very poor officiating, stormed back and slammed the door shut on Duck Dreams. It was SO satisfying a way for the Beavs to win. But hey, Ducks, there is always next year.
Yes it was a beautiful thing to watch for sure. 4th quarter OSU remembered hey, we're a run team! Then proceeded to shove the ball down their throats like they should have all game.
I'm pretty sure that was not quite exactly how Coach Smith had it drawn up. Read and adjusted pretty well though.
OSU had 3 pac-12 losses and Ducks 2. Beavers got buried at Utah and Ducks beat Utes. Smith does not know about kicking field goals, in places that are horror for OSU, like Seattle and Los Angeles. He has no idea what a signal caller is like. His four picks sealed the loss at home in Corvallis to USC. He forgot to take his team to Utah. One field goal in Seattle from the 10 yard line 2 times could have brought a victory. Three pac-12 losses is nothing to be proud of unless you are a beaver believer, and pretend 3 victories last year in men's basketball is a good season. tinkling on themselves is something baby Beavs should be getting used to. It is a steady saying in Corvallis that next year is the year. In any sport? Like the track and field team that isn't? The basketball arena Kareem Abdul Jabbar played at in 1967 that I can never forget seeing? Gary Payton and Ralph Miller in 1990? Another year of Tinkle in Gill Coliseum? Losses already this season 2 times to mighty Portland State for the Beavers mens basketball team? They came out on top three times last season, and brought back Mr. Peed on himself, the mighty Mr. Tinkle? 3 times not losing, last year and he gets an encore? Please OSU say it ain't so! Beaver hoops in absolute toilet again out of entire USA? They should be deported back to junior varsity high school level. Or, at least to the Big Sky, Not possible to stay in the pac-12 for basketball. Bill may still call it the conference of champions, but he again fails to state the sport he refers to. Might be competitive cheer or anything that brings in zero revenue to the school. Ooooossssuuu p.u. Go Ducks!
I have never seen a Duck more obsessed with the Beavers. We have a room rent free in your head, as the saying goes. It is really funny. And you always go back to 1990 (conveniently, because that is when Phil K started pouring money into the Ducks, which before were pretty average in every sport). I suppose Phil remembered the beat downs the Ducks took in football at the hands of OSU in the 1950s and 60s and the Beavs live in his head, too. Then there was a two decade wasteland in the 70s and 80s for both programs, due to regional changes in the sport, primarily the inclusion of African-Americans, long overdue. When Phil made his fortune when Nike went public, his single most important cause has been his alma mater. Good for him and good for you. It has nothing to do with you but you are the beneficiary of Phil's obsession. It won't last. He is getting up in age and OSU grads make millions too. The tide has permanently turned, in my estimation. OSU is the larger school with more tradition and sports has now risen to the top at OSU in priority. Our day has come. Sorry for your pain.
Yeah that dude is sad huh. Imagine writing all that just for no one to care.
I want some of whatever Donnie’s on, lol.
Wow brother, just wow. Do yo talk this much trash about all of the other P12 teams, my guess is not. The fact is the Ducks had a far easier P12 schedule- no USC, Utah and WA at home. Your toughest road games were WA State and.... OSU. You nearly lost to WA State, but they Couged it. Then your team came to Reser and got beat- even with our QB gift wrapping two INT's. You can keep deflecting to say how bad the basketball team was last year, and appears to be this year- you'll get no argument from me there. But in the end our football team dominated yours in the first and fourth quarters in the only real Civil War game that matters, and owned the scoreboard when the clock showed zeros. It's a tough pill to swallow, but there it is- I suggest swallowing it quickly and quietly.
Good one...not sure what the basketball team has to do with the Civil War game. Nothing. But Mr Duck keeps bringing it up. Might as well bring up the baseball program then. The Beavs own the Ducks on the diamond. Back to basketball, I am afraid Tinkle is not the answer everyone hoped. He is like a throwback to Ralph Miller in terms of game structure (half court game channeled through a big man) and discipline. That probably does not work in 2022. Miller's secret was bringing African-American players to OSU. Previously the program was lily white in what became an urban-dominated game. Now, the change is to basketball the kids will enjoy playing (up tempo) so that the better urban kids can be recruited to a quasi-rural environment. Recruiting in African and East European nations is also a winner. This can work. Eugene is hardly more black or urban than Corvallis and so that is not the reason for their success. And Gonzaga is a top 16 program year after year in Eastern Washington. There is a formula out there that will work, but Tinkle doesn't have it. He can't rely on the kids of his assistants to get to the Sweet 16. I think the team should move on and keep looking for the secret sauce for b-ball.
Anything else to complain about.. Oh yes, Osu lost the Championship Chess Match 1952.. Remember that Donnie? Go Ducks Chess
And yet, the ucks lost....!!!!
Nobody talks about it, but can we all agree the OSU staff is the best in the Pac 12 at developing talent and creating culture? Eight 4/5 star recruits to Oregon's fifty two.
They always have been, they consistently send tons of "2 or 3" Star kids to the NFL for stellar careers.
Whittingham and Utah’s staff is better. But, Oregon State is getting there.
Interesting statement. It might be true due to Whittingham's head start at Utah (year 18). But, as you say, Smith is closing the gap, fast. He improved the DC this year with Bray. His special teams aren't bad, could be better (kicker). The O line is consistently terrific under Michalczik. The secondary and LBs are also very good, year in and out. RBs and WRs have been solid all the way back to the early Riley era (Simonton, Jackson, Housh and Chad). The big talent gap has been the D line, forever and, surprisingly, at QB. Riley seemed to always come up with a top QB and had the recruiting pipeline. Smith, an OC for Washington prior, should have it and doesn't. He needs to start landing 4 star QBs. 3s just don't have the talent to contend in the Top 20 every year. (QB is heavily scouted by recruiters, is very measurable in HS and so there are no real secret gems to develop). But with his personal background and increasing game success, I am certain Smith will get his 4s and maybe even a 5 at QB. Its coming.
A game for the Ages. I have been a Beaver most of my long life, and this is one of the most satisfying wins I have been a part of. Jonathan Smith is a class act and exactly what the Beavers have needed.
Thank you for this game summary. I believe this program is 100% about Jonathan Smith. I was a huge fan in 2000 and am a huge fan now, one of his biggest boosters, though he will never know it. Smith is everything you want in a college coach: determined, competitive, intelligent, modest, over-achieving, inspiring, dependable. Any kid would want to play for him. And the more he wins, the easier it will be to get the best to commit to OSU, especially if the AD can attract some big donors to help fund the NIL program and increasingly so. What can Smith do with the talent level the Ducks are able to recruit? I can tell you. He will have a top 5 national program and contend with Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State for national championships. Jonathan Smith is that good of a coach and, I am sure, a person too.
It looks like Jonathan might be following in Pat Casey's footsteps. Finds "HIS" type of guys, builds a mental and physical toughness mindset and is just "Better" than your team on game day!!!
Didn’t punt (11/12/22)
Didn’t punt (11/26/22)
“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
UCLA didn't punt, either.
Very accurate take. The Beavs deserved to win today. They played clean, hard, physical football for four quarters. If not for their bad throws, the margin could have been larger.
They won the trenches. Our run defense was just bad, despite knowing that was all they could do. It was clear our entire coaching staff was out-coached in all three phases. We had the clear talent advantage, but OSU had heart, experience and some super talented backs as well. They were resilient and the more physical team and you could just feel this was their day.
I really like Lanning, but he has been betting big with house money way too much this season. After a momentum shift it’s his job to stay calm, read the room and get them back in focus by playing sound, fundamental football, to avoid a snowball at all costs.
Instead, when he gets punched in the mouth, he coaches with blind emotion. He calls himself right out of the game. He was playing reactive football when it counted instead of staying true to the plan that got him where he is.
P5 coaches are too good to coach reckless against. He had some plays go his way, but they are ready to exploit his gambles at this point. Hopefully he takes this and uses it to get better. It’s concerning he would make the same catastrophic mistake two weeks apart.
To be fair, Smith is a bit of a gun slinger also but if this were a Western Coach Lanning would be the cocky, young gunfighter calling out Smith at high noon on Main Street. The only thing is Smith looks like he is the fastest gun in the west and has a lot more experience.
Trust me I love an aggressive style, but you have to read the situation. You don’t go for it on 4th down on your 30 with your QB hurt on the road when you’ve been getting stuffed regularly all night and the momentum is strongly against you. And yes, Jonathan Smith has been very impressive with much less to work with. He should get coach of the year.
I agree with you completely, the 4th down play deep in OU side of the feel has to go down as one of the biggest acts of hubris or arrogance I have seen....given that situation.
Lincoln Reilly, from 4 and 7 to 11 and 1 is my coach of the year. Smith a strong 2nd.
Reilly got his own QB to come with him, didn't he? It can't be understated what huge advantage that has been for him. Smith, to my knowledge, had nothing close to that type of advantage. Hands down, JS should be Pac 12 Coach of the Year.
Best team money could buy...USC's NIL groups should get coach of the year in that case.
Yeah, like Phil Knight has nor been buying Oregons success over the years. Now putting players names on shoes. Give me a break. NIL does not compare to Knights hundreds of millions in Oregon facilities over the years. Without that money, your team would be like Portland State. Oregon has been best team money could buy and you now don't like some competition. Glad OSU won BTW.
The BAY....Bank Account of the Year
this is voted on by the conference coaches right? Sure Reilly deserves the award like a couple of others but the move by USC to the BIG 10 puts USC in a pariah status. It also places many of us in a very compromised position of having to hope USC goes to the CFP so we can move up to a better bowl.
I am not going to let my pride ruin anything and I will be cheering for USC going forward, but it will be like eating brussels sprouts.
You are killing me Chip!! GO UTES!!🤙🏼😀
I LOVE brussel sprouts!
The USC boosters NIL fund is what cause their turnaround. They went out and brought in (2) Five stars and (5) Four stars along with (12) Three stars for the best Portal class in Div 1. Was that Reilly? No. That was NIL money ($2.5M for Williams alone) and the attraction of Hollywood. How does that make Reilly a great coach. He was smart enough to take the job, but nobody had to coach up a bunch of 3s and a few 2s like Jonathan Smith
I am lifelong Beaver fan and was at the game. This is a really articulate comment. Lanning can coach. He will learn and continue to improve. I would love to see these 2 go at once a year for the next decade!!
The Ducks are not clearly talented . Franklin is the only player that looks above the rest. The Ducks were DOMINATED
by the SUPERIOR TALENT of The OREGON STATE BEAVERS.
Ed, the 1 statistic that matters is the final score but the Ducks won every statistical match up and the Ducks have a Blue Chip roster and the Beavs do not.
The game in Corvallis was nothing like playing 'at' Georgia.
But hats off to the Beavs who won the LOS and to the coaching staff that out-coached the Ducks staff.
Hat’s off? More like “Kiss my ass and call it ice cream!!!
The BEAVS kicked ass!
Hey JJ…. Blue chip recruit does not mean college talent.
Oregon is living proof of that.
There are no moral victories in a loss. Especially one in quick your team got FREEKIN hammered!
John. I coach football. High school. We were O-23 when we took over. Thanks to my head coach and the coaches that all bought in we created a culture of winning with less “blue chips”BTW had a front row seat to watching Utah DESTROY the Ducks twice.
There goes your moral victory
Ed, there are no 'moral victories' in big time CFB.
To be more articulate, I hope, the Oregon roster by rankings is superior to that of the Beavers but that means nothing when it comes to coaching and desire.
I am really happy to see what J Smith is doing in Corvallis and hope he is a long-timer who won't leave for B1G/SEC $.
Will be interesting to see who the new OC and new QB will be in 2023?
The sad thing about this win is that the Oregonian tomorrow will have 24 headlines about various BS articles about the Ducks...Ducks this, Ducks that. 'Bout time to get on the Orange Express. The great thing is - Jonathan Smith has turned this program around and they are winners. The expectation of Beaver fans is changing right now. This was a tremendous effort by the OSU team - a defense who bent but didn't break when it mattered, and an offense who decided they could run the ball down Oregon's throat. Nice win Beavs.
PAC12 After Dark, ESPN, etc all only talked about UO's loss, and not OSU's win... frustrating since this will likely place us around #15... its not like we were a bottom dweller with an unexpected upset, we were expected to win the game -1 at the onset.
It will take even longer for the likes of Sportscasters to give us proper respect... but in a way it might be better for us, helps us keep awesome coaches like Bray longer and stops other teams from trying to poach us in the portal.
Ease up Bucky, the story was very even handed. Get over your insecurities because OSU is for real and as long as Smith is the coach, Beaver fans will be happy year in and year out.
Huskies seem to be taking care of business in Pullman.
Crazy year in the Pac12. Never a dull moment. This is a lot fun if you are a college football fan.
Going for it on fourth down may have been unwise, but the Ducks punting game was a disaster, so I don't completely blame Lanning there. Smith for Pac-12 COY for sure. Lastly, the officiating was a complete embarrassment, AGAIN.
Agreed I was afraid they cost OSU the game with that mystery PI call that kept the ducks drive alive.
That PI Call was absolute, full blown Pac-12 ref, nonsense and horsecrap..
Every time Duddy is doing a game, I know to expect some AWFUL calls
Those two spots that were 3 yards short as well, I will 100% give it to them during play, maybe they didn't see it right but not on the challenge, that was in excusable not to see the spot was a good 2+ yards short.
So, is PK in his pocket? Do you think the refs have been bought?
Gotta love PAC12 football
GO DAWGS
I am so happy for the seniors - this whole season, but particularly this win, has been a testament to their work, their belief, their commitment, their motivation. I will miss every one of them. It's been great to watch them grow up in this program. Cannot say enough about Jonathan Smith and the staff he has put together, the players he has recruited and the culture he has built. I'm sure we'll still have to endure the "little brother" crap from UO fans, but oh this one was sweet. Go Beavs!
Great summary John! You got it all. I’m a Duck fan and it hurts, but the Beavs deserve the win. Really resilient. Ducks couldn’t get out of their own way. A game for the history books. What’s it called again? Let’s come to our senses and go back to the “Civil War” Per dictionary.com :“ a war between citizens of the same country.”
I couldn’t and still can’t believe it. I asked my wife in shock, “ victory formation?!!” The best game all year, hands down, best damn football game all year
Recruiting class hype is getting old. Having coaches (last year Mario, this year Dillingham) with their feet out the door and phoning it in is old. Helfrich lost to UW and OSU and it got him fired. Certainly Lanning shouldn’t go anywhere - but it ought to register how important these games are, and that slop and lack of attention don’t get it done. Now have to endurefor a year of the “lunch bucket U” OSU crap. But hats off to them, the embarrassed us and earned it. Smith is for real.
It can get worse for the Ducks. The only thing keeping the Beavs from Top 10 status every year is money. It will take money, going forward, to attract and keep the best recruits with NIL in place. The Beavs coaching staff is maybe the best in the Pac 12 and one of the best in the country. Kids go where they get the best coaching for a chance at the next level. But now, with NIL, they also will be looking for what package they can get while in college. There is no reason OSU can't match U of O going forward and get a good share of 4s and a 5 or two along the way. So buckle up Ducks. The days of having the state of Oregon to yourselves is over.
There’s no reason OSU can’t match a Oregon in NIL world? How so? I can’t see any reason this won’t continue to be an impactful handicap going forward for OSU. For a FEW kids NIL is a lesser consideration. There’s a huge chasm of a difference between the NIL apparatus at Oregon, several SEC schools, tOSU, Michigan, etc. and OSU, Arizona. ASU, Utah, etc. A booster would know this.
And let’s not pretend that talent doesn’t matter unless a team is satisfied with their ceiling being the PAC 12 Championship game and an occasional Rose Bowl. The statistics don’t support the coach up > talent theory if you want to aspire to a CFP discussion every year. Rebuild v. reload is real and will be for OSU as well because of lack of elite DEPTH talent when 1’s, 2’s and 3’s at key positions get injured.
Like Utah, OSU must have the all-conference type QB to break through to the top tier of the PAC 12. In other years they will be second tier. We’ve already seen this movie in Utah. It’s not a guessing game.
After a decade in the PAC 12, Utah (still the gold standard for the OSUs of the conference), with its annually below average recruiting classes (smattering in a few 4 stars, especially in the transfer portal), but much better facilities than OSUs, still hasn’t won a Rose Bowl and time is running out as Coach Whit. won’t be around forever. Utah won’t be favored in this Rose Bowl (secured by winning or losing the PAC 12 championship this year) by a relatively large margin unless both big boy Big 10 schools sneak into the CFP and Utah is playing the Big 10s #3 school.
Also, I know the thinking is that Coach Smith (or, e.g., OSU’s DC for that matter) will be at OSU forever out of loyalty, etc. But he will have many justifications going forward to take that safety net, family security money. Even true local boy Mike Riley moved on. How long can OSU keep their DC, who was VITAL to at least 4 wins if not more this year? Most elite DC’s are in the NFL. Outside of Georgia and Alabama (1st tier) and to a lesser degree teams like Utah (second tier), most college DCs are merely good.
Whereas, even with coaching turnover everywhere Oregon remains in the discussion every year. Consider that OSU’s breakout year is seen as a disappointing year for Oregon (on the cusp of another Rose Bowl).
Lanning (former wunderkid Georgia DC with an elite coaching tree) will recruit personnel to fit his schemes and will likely take over DC play calling duties or at least have more fingerprints on the game plan and in-game adjustments. An interior defense that played inspired and smothered Utah the week before was out efforted and out schemed a week later against an OSU offense with less talent than Utah. Some of its player maturity, the emotions of the Civil War, and home field, but Oregon’s first year DC Tosh Lupoi is better known as an elite recruiter than a coach. Lanning was observed calling defensive plays against Utah. For some reason he appeared to delegate again against OSU.
Oregon still had a good offensive game against OSU by any standard, run and pass (despite special team snafus and young coach mistakes/gifts to OSU in inexplicable 4th down decisions that were critical to get the upset win) and even with a dual threat QB in Nix with one wheel and largely 3 star coached up players (including a walk-on) on the OL almost all injured (not just dinged up).
OSU will point to the transfer portal as the great equalizer but Oregon will benefit from it as well. USC had 19 transfers last year and are now #4 in the polls from several down years by blue blood standards.
I love what Coach Smith has done. TON of respect. I’m long in the tooth. Great win for OSU and its better than watching blow outs in the Civil War. But a balanced analysis shows that these institutional, built-in liabilities will continue to be real limiters for OSU as the general rule with some exceptions.
Hahahaha. Long winded eyewash. Backhanded compliments. I have a deep knowledge of analytics and research and I recognize a blowhard Duck fan. Coaching and development requires 5 star coaching development. Consistent leadership is the key. Jonathan Smith and OSU have a 5 year head start on Oregon. You cannot project the future with your simplistic and pedestrian analysis. Utah destroyed the “relevant “ Ducks twice last year. DESTROYED the talent laden Ducks . Why? Blame Cristobal? Blame Mullen? Blame Phil? Nope. Blame the culture and the character. The problem at Oregon is consistency and character of culture. Lincoln Riley is a football savant. Dan Lanning
has proven nothing as a head coach. The Duck’s future is gray. Rotating coaches and cultures is a disease. BTW.
As of now, THE OREGON STATE BEAVERS are the more talented team. Winning takes talent.
Well researcher and analytic guy, hit me with data rather than trolling me with sophomoric ad hominem attacks about being a blowhard. I laid out factually supported opinions rather than making conclusory, bare assertions and responding to points I never made.
I didn’t bring up Lincoln Riley except to say that USC hit the transfer portal hard WITH NIL $$$. You called Lincoln Riley a football savant. Okay. Google his Oklahoma teams digressing performance over time on important analytics and metrics before he jumped to USC. There are several articles written by insiders in the know about the slow decline at Oklahoma since Stoops. Riley’s a good QB coach by all accounts and he may be a great HC at USC. Jury is out.
Did Utah destroy Oregon this year (a mere year later)? Pointing to last year (an isolated year) was an interesting straw man argument you set up for me to prove what exactly- that Utah’s program has passed Oregon generally speaking by focusing on results from one year? Please elaborate. Your point about Utah was lost almost immediately by simply looking at the scoreboard (and eyeball test) from the game between Oregon and Utah a week ago. Imagine if Oregon’s dual threat QB Nix wasn’t playing on a week old high ankle sprain suffered in the last minute loss to Washington.
I seem to recall OSU having a few coaches before Smith. Does that point to the character and culture at OSU as well? Of course not. Also, keep in mind that coaches at Oregon were parlaying success to their dream schools, the NFL, etc. Even with all the coaching turnover for these reasons the last several seasons a disappointing season and low water bench mark for Oregon is 9-3. Yeah, that’s a cancerous program for sure (forget the coaching carousel at other blue blood SEC programs who apparently all have the same disease of character and culture).
I actually like Coach Smith. I have been lauding a well coached OSU team all season. I respected Coach Riley for the same reason and I think Coach Whitt. is a Hall of Fame coach at Utah. As a fan I have enough self-esteem and grace to congratulate an OSU win and put an opposing coach on a pedestal while respectfully pushing back against hyperbolic narratives about one program’s purported demise and another program’s long-term ascendancy on some linear line.
But the fact remains that relying on coaching up mostly 3 stars creates a glass ceiling. That’s a statistical fact. I didn’t make it up. I wasn’t saying anything contrarian. If you disagree point to a team with annually subpar recruiting classes that is regularly relevant and has played in at least one CFP game. Not Utah. Their one Rose Bowl appearance was not a CFP game that year. And NIL is much more important to most 5 stars and many 4 stars. It’s not even debatable. Do even cursory research on that topic.
Your bellicose claim that I can’t reliably predict either teams’ future and then in your next breath predicting a “gray future” for Oregon was oddly (but glaringly) internally inconsistent. No?
Winning on a given day probably can’t lend itself to, as you said, simplistic explanations, like, OSU was the more “talented” team. I think you’re on an island with that outlier claim with people who are a lot smarter and plugged in than I am. (One metric for “talent” is the number of players put in the NFL for a given year. That usually ends the discussion.) There are a lot of factors that play into winning and losing a game. Suffice to say OSU won and Oregon lost Saturday. No excuses. I’ve seen well over a half-century of Civil Wars and maybe sample size lends to some balance and perspective without reflexive panicking at losses or winning ungracefully. (Both fan bases have their trolls and any attempt to attribute more insufferable fans to one base over the other is self-serving and subjective.)
You are right that long term success will not be achieved with a boat load of 3 stars. But then again, there is no natural advantage at the U of O over OSU in terms of football or sports in general. It seems that way for anyone under 50 because they don't remember life before Phil. PK is 84. He won't be around forever. As I have said elsewhere, the natural advantages actually are with OSU. The campus is closer to Portland. The student population is larger. The probabilities are there is more alumni money available to develop sports at OSU than Oregon once PK is out of the picture. The only thing that was missing since 1970 was desire within the Admin at OSU. There has been a general contempt for winning sports at OSU as long as I can remember. But at one point in time, before 1975, OSU sports were revered and the school and alumnus paid up (relative to that time). I think we are back to that time. I think OSU alumni are done with getting shown up by their little brothers down the road and are gearing up for big things. Football is half way there and Men's B-Ball needs a restart. But all the other programs have national recognition. Why don't the folks in Eugene ever acknowledge they are well behind OSU in most non-rev sports. I guess Phil can't buy them all
Have you coached? Have you played? Or are you a “ sideline guy”?
Ed Hill, you are sounding just like the arrogant Duck fans. Casey H. thanks for your balanced comments. Perhaps you two should switch places. Ed, your arrogance would fit fine with the Duckies and Casey you would be accepted as a true Beaver.
I don't get your logic. The guys who will get paid big NIL bucks, the 4s and 5s, are going to go where the money is best. Period. We see this all the time in pro sports. Guys will trade down to a worse team if they make more money. The 3s are just there for a good time, which means to win. So, if your program can buy a decent number of 4s and 5s, say 10-15 on the roster (OSU might normally have one), then the 3s you need to fill out your roster will be there when you ask, because they know you will win with your ration of very good players. And that is what average (for FBS) kids want. They just want to win, which is what makes sports fun. So, the Beavers need to strategize to accumulate the (15) 4s and 5s that make up the core of the team and plan for that cost, and then it will be much easier to improve the D and O line, get the LBs, get a decent TE and win with the 4s and 5s needed in the QB, RB, WR and secondary positions
The chase after NIL misses one HUGE point, not all athletes main priority is money. Many are looking for family, a coaching staff that cares, and the team that is there for each other.
While I don;t want us to turn our backs on NIL, as that would be the death of any program going forward, however let USC and the other flash in the pan programs chase after the prima donnas, in all honestly we can never compete with them in this department, so let Smith find the athletes he has successfully brought and offer something the blue bloods can;t... an atmosphere of family and great coaching... offering something different is where the future of the program is
Trust me on this: the players who are 4 and 5 star are mostly concerned with the money. Who wouldn't be? A lot of these kids are from poorer backgrounds in the inner city. They used to have to wait until the NFL to get paid. Some would get hurt in college and never get drafted. Now they can get a very good payday through the NIL and help secure their own and their family's future. What if a top college pitcher could lock down an NIL of $3M per year. Why would that player rush off to the minor leagues to ride a bus when they can be a hero in the relative comfort of college? This might change the paradigm of OSU being unable to keep its best baseball players and provide more consistency. Not sure why you think OSU can't compete for NIL contracts. Do you think all OSU alums are schlubs? Don't you think any OSU alums create large companies and are worth $ millions?
Mesmerized by Erickson’s comment, love Smith’s stoicism on the sideline even when the tide turned near end of 2nd quarter, how do officials still miss the proper placement after a video review (twice), and how to make sure your punter continues to psych himself out by having zero confidence in him after your comments following Washington loss, and just an unbelievable finish by the Beavers run game!
That spot and then looking on video and CONFIRMING the wrong spot (not as it stands, but confirmed!) should be a fireable offense for the officiating crew.
This is beyond embarrassing officiating
Great game overall, especially for the Beavers in the fourth quarter! I was really worried after the terrible ball spot by the officials that the Beavs got in the second quarter, and the whole game seemed to shift towards the Ducks at that point. But, the Beavs bounced back and didn’t quit today.
There is a line separating bold play from reckless. Oregon has been reckless a lot this season and I'd say it was a contributing factor today and v the Huskies. I put it on the coaches. Yes, I am a Lanning fan and remain so. But man, learn from your mistakes.
Lanning just proved he is a Mario clone. Incapable of learning from his mistakes. I feel for the kids. They played well enough to win and Lanning handed the Beavs the game. Just like he did with the Dawgs. One more idiot call and I hope Phil dumps his ass. His idiocy will cost us many recruits. Why would good players want to play for fool?
No the Ducks did not play well enough to win. They got steamrolled by a superior team
Worth remembering— Oregons punting game is bad. We saw it twice in real time tonight, and that can make those 4th down calls more understandable
No I can't think that factored in. It was either arrogance or they lost track of the down those can only be the only explanations.... and I think they knew the down