Let Scott Barnes know that I am completely opposed to continuing the Civil War. The Ducks broke the 108 year old relationship and tried to break Oregon State as a P5 school. Now OSU and Barnes have to scramble to maintain football relevance. The Ducks were the pin-pullers, zero doubt about that. What is so special about a Civil War between two non-conference opponents? And why should Oregon State be forced to play every game at Eugene for a "pay day" game? This is absurd. Stop it!!
You’re so shortsighted on what your team needs, Brian. Your Duck hate goes so deep you’re willing to bring serious harm to Your own team and university. It’s called “cutting your nose off to spite your face.” Stupid!
So what does my team need, Bill? New conference rivals that are not "short sighted" A-h*les? Sure. I agree and we will get them. What we don't need is more games with the team that threw OSU in the dumpster. It is so easy to be holier-than-thou when you have the protection of your Godfather. Eugene is not a very special place, I hate to tell you
You need to support Scott Barnes right now. He’s working really hard to salvage a very difficult situation. I know you’re angry and I don’t blame you for that. I too don’t feel good about the demise of the PAC-12. But at some point Beaver fans need to set aside this bitterness long enough to help support the AD, coaches, and athletes who are in need of fan support, power 5 teams to play, and many more $$ to maintain their P5 status. Help them instead of throwing more gas on the pity party fire.
It seems to that the PAC 2 was moving on until the traitorous 10 decided to prolong things with their recent frivolous legal maneuver to delay the inevitable.
Telling U of O to pound sand is not a pity party. Might be best to not play it and realize actions have consequences. Helping OSU is buying tickets and being there. Playing uo to make duck fans feel good about themselves is not helping osu as much as it is helping the ducks. I’m going to enjoy this last civil war as we know it and move on
Barnes will build a fine schedule without the Ducks. They have been working on this for over a month and just had to wait for the courts to speak before finalizing it. Barnes already said he doesn't want to schedule the Ducks.
What makes it even more disgusting is the UW is driving the traitor’s bus now. This, with intention of backing the bus over the PAC 12 body they steamrolled earlier. Not a good look, and I wonder what their new landlord thinks of the PR this generates.
I am pretty sure the Leavers got together and looked to UW to take the lead because the lawsuit was filed in their own state. They have more "standing", though any team in the PAC12 has legal standing to pursue this and other lawsuits. They are all part of the same broken league.
You clearly don’t get how betrayed half the state feels by the UO athletic department and president. They literally screwed a very proud fan base and athletic department that built something (not bought). They knew this would be a death blow to us and city of Corvallis and moved forward anyway. I live in Corvallis and the amount of money pouring into our town this week is amazing. Do you think this will happen when we play Fresno State...yet you want us to be a good little brother and accept U of O generosity and get pounded for a paycheck. You are so tone deaf. My duck hate runs so hot that I can’t even go to Eugene. If they play the SEC then I will be an SEC fan. I wish them to lose in everything. Don’t tell me how to feel. I’m a life long beaver fan and what UO has done is unforgivable.
Now your duck feathers are showing. There’s that arrogance we all know. Even your former AD Pat Kilkenny said that the only difference between the two schools success in athletics is because of Phil Knight. Even with all that money you still don’t have any National Championships. Yet you act like you are a blue blood. Blue blood programs win championships! The big ten will teach you all about it. I’m a loyal beav and will keep cheering on our teams. Thanks for caring about my mental health though. I think I’ll be okay but I always sleep a little better when your arrogant fanbase gets so close yet so far. The sad part is that the whole state enjoyed the civil war for a hundred plus years and it was all thrown away by UO. Now they want to make it work while we operate on half the money and resources. Sorry Bill but don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. I’d rather play Fresno State.
Read the comments presented by Backdoor regarding the FACTS on how the conference imploded. There are many reasons the conference died. Your hatred of the Ducks has blinded you from the truth.
ActuallyJosh, moving down to play Fresno State and the rest of the MWC is probably more in tune with real community football, Corvallis football. There is certainly a lot less money at that level both coming in and going out. I just hope OSU can pay for that new stadium without having P5 status.
The Beavers will be at the top of that league most every year, for awhile at least, and you can then be arrogant, like me!😃 Best of luck!
The stadium is already paid for so we don’t have that to worry about. I think we are both fans of our programs and can respect that. It just really sucks when the Beavs have all this momentum and deserved respect only to have it snatched away by greedy media companies. I just don’t think people realize how much this hurts fans and then to ask us to turn around and play nice with program that gave the final blow is too much no matter how much it may help. I’d say good luck but I can’t ever wish luck to the ducks ever but good luck to you Bill in all other things😇
You say some nice things above then dig deeper to cast insults that our team is pathetic and half the state cares not about OSU. You start with being gratuitous then youre deep seeded feelings quickly come out. Now do you understand whay Beaver faithful are frustrated when some of your fanbase has deep seeded sentiments like yours?
What I was trying to say is that more than half the state never cares about any football, never watches any games, has no loyalty to any team. While there are those that are avid fans of both the Beavers and Ducks, there are avid fans of Portland State, Eastern Oregon etc., plus many who have moved here that are avid fans of their out of state teams. It is a mistake to say “half the state is hurting about what’s happened to OSU football.” My guess is it might be more like 5-10% of the total Oregon population.
I do understand. I also understand it’s all about the game of football. Fans are like players…good friends off the field, fierce and loyal on the field. Fans trash talk, it’s nothing personal! I hope you take fan banter as part of the game, not part of real life. Football is a game, full stop.
And...OSU is now asking the state of Oregon for $30mil to shore up its budget. UofO didn’t just screw over OSU football, this cost will get passed on to the students and taxpayers. They screwed over a bunch of people, and for what? To build more monuments to athletics on campus, higher more admins, and a chance to play Michigan and Ohio State every year? As an alumni walking around UofO campus last weekend for the first time in awhile I was kinda grossed out by how much had been spent on “appearances”. Won’t be going to another football game for awhile.
OTHERS ARE REPORTING THAT THE MWC DEAL IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The schedule for 2024 (Beavers) is nearly done and the tie up with the MWC does not appear. There might be some schools from there, but (reading between the lines) I believe there are other schools in the 2024 schedule which (others) have indicated it is going to be a good schedule we will all like.
Can you further address this, please?
Also, would you please do part of an article that related to the NBA and this “In Tournament “ What in the heck is and why are the “floors “ being painted??? I do not get it !!!
Shockenly Phil & Penny Knight have not informed me of their Charitable plans but I believe (hope) that the UofO will be well taken care of in the future.
If Brian McMorris had the money to pony up to save the athletic program we would not be in this situation. What OSU does not have is a sugar-daddy. If OSU did, they would not be in this mess. Chalk one up to learning that college sports really has little to do with college any more. The key is to get a frustrated billionaire who really wants to own a major league sports team but can't find one to buy. So he turns his college program into a major league sport. $1B plus is cheap compared to the cost of an NFL franchise. I guess Phil got quite the bargain. Anyone at OSU talked to Mr Huang, yet?
I'd rather play Eastern Washington every year than ever play the holier than thou ducks who are against all transgressions in the world except child slavery so that they can have 2,000 uniform options for football. Screw the ducks, screw their fans. I'll NEVER buy a ticket to watch the Beavers play them.
Don't act like the top brass at Oregon State wouldn't have done the exact same thing had the roles been reversed. If you want to target someone for your ire then point it at Colorado who, I remind you, pulled out of the Pac before either Oregon or Washington. When the Pac-10 became the Pac-9 the writing was on the wall and an offer was on the table. Hell, if anything blame USC since they're the ones that started all of this to begin with and if rumors are to be believed even tried to put a caveat in that Oregon would be blacklisted from joining the B1G in the future as well.
At least Oregon is trying to make the best out of a bad situation by preserving this historic matchup and protected non-conference rivalry games are neither new nor always ineffectual. Get over your bias and see that this is a mutually beneficial potential outcome and if anything it hits Oregon harder, at least in the short run, as they're the ones who'll have to buy out the spot from Boise St. and potentially others down the line.
There's something really interesting hearing a school that just stabbed you in the back and you're still hemorrhaging and they're now arguing that they really know what's best for you and you should just trust them and come play in their yard with them--all in your own best interest, of course. And if you don't agree, you're just jealous and bitter fools.
Maybe time to make new friends and just let the old ones go.
You know, this "whataboutism" is pretty sickening. I am pretty damn sure the OSU brass woud NOT have done the same. We can never know. But OSU does not have an egomaniac like Phil Knight running and paying for its athletic programs.
What you call whataboutism I call realism. Like it or not collegiate football is a business now and a damned big one at that and conference realignment is decided by the school's presidents, not their AD's. If the B1G had extended an invite to the Beavers the big wigs that make such decisions absolutely would've grabbed that bag and I wouldn't fault them for it either. I love the Pac-12 and have defended it publicly throughout my life but I'm also an adult that knows that in business pragmatism trumps pride every time.
That's why there are legal constraints on what businesses can do in their quest for profits. The problem that has surged to the fore wrt CFB is that restraints that were previously in place to temper the effect of un-limited money and pay for play on competition are gone and it is now an un-regulated arms race.
The NFL is big business right? Successful, right? The NFL recognized long ago that there needed to be restrictions in place to ensure some level of parity and opportunity for all of it's Franchises, in order for it to maintain their health and the NFL's PROFITABILITY as whole.
Here are just a few measures the NFL has in place to ensure health of it's product across the league:
1) Draft order based on worst to best previous season record.
2) Difficulty of next season's schedule based on best to worst record
3) Revenue sharing
4) Salary cap
NONE of this exists in CFB. There are no rules now other than he who has the most money to spend wins. That's a recipe for the emerging disaster that realignment will end up being without some recognition that what is good for an individual school in the short term, is not not necessarily what's good for them or any other competing school in the long term.
I know I raped you and screwed you up pretty bad, but we all know if I was the one not paying attention, you would have raped me if given the opportunity.
Yes. I can feel all the love and compassion from Oregon. Thank you so much for thinking of us. We should bow at your feet as we get scraps from your table.
Did I misread John's article. Did he write it was a payday game vs home & home. It seems the 2 schools are seeing if they can replace BSU's home & home with UO. Seem civil to me.
But we know you are always right Brian. Scott Barnes needs you as his advisor.
So I am brilliant not to want to ever play the Ducks again? I am glad you recognize that. Why should I want my team to ever travel to Eugene again? Do you think all the California and Florida kids at OSU just can't live without seeing Eugene? Are you that arrogant? You go your way and we will go ours. Lets have a nice clean divorce. You can't kick OSU in the teeth and then smile and pat us on the back. Sorry. Done with you, forever
Saturday I will be at Reser rooting on the Beavs (the school I taught at for 11 years) . Following Friday I will drive to Eugene to root on all our Oregon football athletes which hopefully will not be the last time our 2 Oregon University compete which seems to be your preference. My guess most Oregon State athletes would like to keep that annual competition in all sports but what do I know. Hopefully the winner of this Civil War will then win the last PAC12 championship in Vegas the week later.
My guess this weekend game in Corvallis will be the biggest game Reser has ever had. Hopefully it won't be the last big game. Go Beav! Beat the Huskies!
It won’t be the last big game. Just think, your self proclaimed “biggest game ever” doesn’t involve the Ducks. How will we ever have another big game without the fighting Northern Californians from Eugene.
Good question. As for my proclamation guess as tomorrow being Reser's "biggest game ever" I base it on the fact this game is national and involves 2 top 10 nationally ranked teams late in the season. It's also the last PAC12 game in Reser as we know it. I believe the only other time that happened at Reser was 2000 when #5 Oregon played #8 OSU which the Beavs won sending them to their greatest season ever by beating ND at the Fiesta Bowl. I was at both of those games in 2000 and the tickets were a lot cheaper back then. I didn't want to miss this one so I scarfed up one of the last SRO tickets left.
Not saying it’s not a big game and arguably on par with the 2000 civil war. I will be there with bells on being a season ticket holder for the last 27 years. Just pointing out that the Ducks are not involved and don’t need to be involved for big games to happen at Reser. I believe that you stop dealing with people who through their own self serving actions have severely impacted your livelihood. There are other big games out there to schedule, where the other party didn’t impact your livelihood in a negative way. OSU doesn’t owe anything to UO, their fans, the people of the State of Oregon to continue this game. Find other opponents of interest, that will rent hotel rooms and support the Corvallis economy, they are out there.
You guys don't get it. Nobody is racing to the phone to schedule a game against the Beavers. Nobody is racing to play a game in Corvallis. All the kids playing for your program will be racing for the transfer portal as will your coach. It's time to start making good things out of bad situations.
Which part did I get wrong? What do you think is going to happen when the 4 and five stars are looking around and find themselves not playing in a Power 5 conference, not eligible to play in any conferences championship game, no bowl tie-in, and no plans to get the games on any TV channel anyone has ever heard of? When the NIL money dries right up because the team is now basically JV. Nobody is sticking around for that and who could blame them? The coach too, no exposure on TV means no way to recruit besides in person and even then lets say you're in a high-school prospects kitchen, what can you even promise the parents at this point? That The Beavers took the honest route and didn't take off leaving their conference torn to shreds? That they have the moral high-ground over Oregon, but play their games on Hulu 2 or something? Nobody is going to care. They just want a full-ride, lots of NIL money, good playing facilities, and to be on TV once a week on a decent channel with decent advertising. OSU won't be able to promise any of that, maybe the nice facilities if Reser isn't forclosed on. I'm not rooting for any of this, but the writing is on the wall.
I would like to say this. Until everything is settled with the assets of the PAC and a schedule is presented, if I were you, I might want to retract my comments.
There are a lot of good schools out that have open dates and behind the scenes, we may have some of them on a 2024 schedule already, just saying.
As a long-time native Oregonian who has attended Civil War games my entire life no matter the venue, I am pleased Oregon and OSU are considering continuing the game; I love college football. I do however, recoil when talk of the Oregon Legislature should mandate such an event. There are bigger issues bedeviling this state than whether or not a football game is played in the fall
Like making sure our students have a legitimate and functional education
From K thru 12 with academic benchmarks for progression in the system. The State of Oregon education system is a dumpster fire being fueled by Woke teacher’s unions and the bureaucrats that drink from that trough.
Teachers just want and deserve to get paid. Keep your woke labels in the trash where they belong. I mean it's nice y'all have a blanket word to affix to everything you don't like, but it's childish and only one side uses that term.
More than anything we need a clear path to becoming a teacher. Oregon has the largest elementary class size average in the country at nearly 25 students per homeroom classroom.
Yet its incredibly hard to actually become a teacher. 4 years of undergrad, fine, but then you need to do a teacher ed program that takes 1 year, costs at least 10K (some over 25K), and student teaching for 3 months in which you can't work to gain an income.
If we want change in our education system make it financially easier to become a teacher. Student teachers should be earning an income. Teacher ed programs to get certified should be "free" (tuition charges withheld and dismissed so long as you complete it and teach for at least 5 years).
We need more teachers in classrooms. We need more classrooms period. It is absurd that we don't address the biggest problem in education: most people who would love to have a career in teaching can't afford to become teachers.
This Civil War talk feels like asking an ex out for a romantic dinner 9 months after an ugly divorce. Seems like a cooling off period of a couple years might be better. Absence they say makes the heart grow fonder.
An Abused ex who was beaten silly by her former spouse as he was discovered sleeping with another. And now the ex wants to come back and kick her some more. Yep, that is pretty predictable
Let me know if you have knowledge of which party is most actively seeking this?
Beaver fans regardless of their positions on this, don't control what OSU ends up deciding on this subject, but perhaps our voicing objections to it can influence what happens. It goes without saying that the influence is greater, the bigger the wallets of those speaking and I honestly don't know what the big money donors are saying.
I'm for whatever decision will result in a richly deserved and enduring low regard for Knight School's athletic department. I wish bad fortune on their programs.
I have no idea if it’s both parties are working together or not. I am sorry you have so much disdain for Mr. Knight & the athletic department. I understand being bitter but I don’t think like that so it’s hard for me to fathom. Anyway, good luck against the Huskies!
But you can fathom using the profits from child slavery to make sure your team has over 2,000 uniform options for football? Good to know you have not just priorities but the morals of a 3rd world dictator.
Lots of anger here. Should O have declined the B1G offer in hope that Apple would still offer the $25M with incentives vs B1G $35M increasing each year to at least $70M in six years? Should they have put themselves in such a disadvantaged position simply bc OSU wasn’t offered the same deal?
I get the hate. Nobody likes to get picked last (or not at all). If OSU had to be part of it the B1G would have pulled their offer. NOBODY likes this. Not Ducks, not Beavers, not the two northern schools.
Unless OSU focuses on getting into a P4 conference, they will die a slow painful death. It’s time to put feelings aside and focus on getting that done within the next two years. Declining the option to play O and replacing them with a “new rivalry” (San Jose State anyone) would be a bigger blunder than Lanning forsaking the FG and going for it on 4th down.
What is your source? Do we know this as 100% fact? I'm not so sure. Plus in Business, which is what this is all about, Big Business, there is no actual agreement until it is signed. I HATE that the conference has imploded. It is very sad and hard for me to accept. I also feel bad for Oregon State and Washington State. I hope they can find a good solution going forward. I just completely disagree that the Ducks are the main ones to blame and that the Apple deal was actually okay for the future of the schools. It was a business decision. Recruiting is the life blood of every program. Limited exposure with a lousy Apple deal would have killed recruiting. It's all a shame, but I can't blame the Ducks for making the business choice they did.
The Apple deal would have been a complete disaster. Worse yet, not one network was even interested in trying to shoehorn in even a couple of the Pac games on linear TV to go along with Apple. That's just how bad the networks viewed the Pac product at that point.
There is some merit in that. People can hate WHAT they did - but perhaps understand it - yet HOW they did it causes the greatest angst. The midnight betrayal is tough to swallow. I can see that reasoning.
My feeling is that regardless, this is where we are. They still gotta join a P4 conference. The thought of rebuilding the P-12 feels good, but the likelihood of it working out is very small.
Hate the defectors, while at the same time hope they advocate for OSU/WSU inclusion
Well, it's my understanding the Big Ten came in even later than Midnight after they absorbed the knowledge that Colorado was out, and Arizona had a Big12 offer it was considering. Then, they lowballed UW and UO and got them to bite after UW and UO heard about Arizona.
Quit passing off blame. AZ was present to sign the Apple deal. They jumped to the Big12 only after UW and UO decided to screw everyone over. They signed a contract the day before to do the deal and then next morning just abandoned the conference.
According to a later column in the Tucson paper, Arizona had a Big12 deal in hand from the day before. They had permission from the Big12 commissioner to listen to the Pac12's latest offer before signing with the Big12.
There was no signed deal for the Pac12 before the Friday meeting. It was all verbal, while Arizona also had the verbal agreement with the Big12 from the day before.
After UW announced they were leaving, then confirmed next by UO also, the meeting proceeded with the "reveal" which was streaming only and $25M.
Arizona immediately contacted the Big12 to confirm their deal. Then Utah and ASU asked for reconsideration by the Big12.
Unfortunately at the time, OSU, WSU, Cal and Stanford did not have those options.
You would be naive to believe UW and UO didn't know what Commissioner K was bringing on Friday while they were talking to the Big10 after midnight the night before. Especially UW knew that the deal was not going to be enough with UW's budget running a deficit so they bailed. UO quickly followed.
In retrospect UW and UO probably accepted too little from the BigTen but the only other option for negotiations was a skimpy offer from the Pac.
That could have easily been the case. Nobody on this thread knows. For all we know, OSU got the same offer but they told the B1G, “There’s more to life than money! We’re staying here with our brethren!” So the B1G took O and UW as a back-up plan. Ha
For all we know, the moon is made of green cheese. No. actually we know it isn't. As we also know, the BFD conference never tendered any kind of offer to OSU.
Schmuck fans can dish it but they go into snowflake mode and cry when they get the opprobrium they richly deserve in return. It's words, not sticks and stones.
Making a decision based on money, power and prestige might be a selfish decision that hurts a lot of people. U of O made a selfish decision. It was a choice and they knew what it would do and did it anyway.
Honestly, I'm sure I'm in the vast minority but at this point I'd be more in favor of the Beavers dropping all sports rather than accept being a G5 member. I've been watching a Pac 8/10/12 Beaver program for over 60 years and have zero interest in watching them fade down to San Jose, New Mexico and Hawaii status. Just drop all sports and be done with it. Its less painful than watching all this crap go down. Again, I know I'm probably the only one who feels this way, but I just can't or won't watch it happen.
There will be a lot of W's on the horizon if OSU partners with the Mt. West. And, a better shot at a CFP spot because of those W's than what UW and UO will have. Boise State fans weren't unhappy going to three Fiesta Bowls due to the W-L image they had. The same is on the horizon for the Beavers if they will just focus forward without the self-pity.
Bullshit. Maybe a lot of MWC wins but non competitive against quality P4 teams. Boise had a good run because of Chris Peterson. And he had no desire to leave Boise while his kids were in school. Lightening in a bottle. Not much different than Mark Few at Gonzaga. What has Boise turned into since Peterson left? That's OSU's future. Even if they get to the CFB playoffs as the best group of 5 champion, have you seen the difference in payouts between a P4 vs G6 participant? They aren't even close. The ducks will make more from the playoffs as a Big 10 NON participant than the Beavs would get by being a G6 participant. They would also NEVER get a home game as at their level they'd get seeded based on their CFP ranking, not as a conference champion. So they'd most likely end up playing on the road against the #2 team from the SEC or Big 10. Imagine going 11-1, winning the MWC and a spot in the CFP, AND STILL having to go play on the road at Autzen against the #2 or #3 Big 10 ducks? No thanks, I want no part of it.
My point is OSU can have a good run too. And, likely more CFP entries than UW or UO in the next 10 years. IF, they get over the woe is me shit and start taking advantage of a G5 situation. Not sure UO/UW would often be higher than 9-12 which means no home game either. OSU needs to leverage the possible rather than bemoan the impossible. Take a one scoop cone rather than complaining you weren't offered a two scoop and rejecting any.
The other possibility that needs to be explored is "buying their way in" like SMU did. Use the leftover Pac12 funds to self-support while flirting with the Big12.
I don't agree with your point and never will. Never have. If everyone else is getting 2 scoops of ice cream and I'm told to be happy I'm getting one, my choice is to tell you to fuck.yourself, knock all the ice cream on the floor so nobody gets ice cream, then move to another area and find people who treat me with the same dignity and respect as they do everyone else. I'm never going kneel down and thank you for treating me like an inferior human being. Sounds to me like you're very comfortable being a second class citizen thanking the 1st class for giving you the scraps off their plate. That's your choice, but it sure as hell isn't mine.
I'm just suggesting it is better to be practical when the possible seems out of reach. Otherwise you come across as a temper tantrum kid who gets no respect from anyone. Move forward. Take advantage of the G5 chance, kill it there, then you'll be able to buy your own ice cream. Only a kid would think EVERYONE else is getting what they want.
Gosh, I hadn't realized that Beavers' self-pity was the problem to this disaster. Thanks, so good to know! Everything would be just perfect if not for that, I guess.
The only the Civil War (which will be civil no more) should continue is if the Beavs figure out a way to continue funding at the Power 5 level and can build schedules that will continue to attract Power 5 kids. If this thing morphs into Big-10 vs. MWC, which I'm sure is what the Ducks hope will happen, why would the Beavs want to play on an uneven playing field?
I just do not see a path where OSU and WSU will be able to schedule 8 games vs P5 opponents. This would be the minimum number of games to give 'independent' OSU and WSU a PO shot and a Pac-2 (12) championship is not going to make the schedules PO-worthy.
Oregon's offer to play OSU is giving the Beavers a chance to materially improve the 2024/25 SOS.
You 'don't see a path'? Who are you Lewis or Clark? You don't get it. Why would we ever wanna play a team that stabbed us in the back and killed the conference in the process? Your arguments focus on money which is not surprising. Given the University of Oregon is a greedy money, grubbing university whose leader ship has no moral values. The strength of schedule argument is valid but there are plenty of other teams we could schedule, so the question is why are the ducks so interested in playing the beavers next year?
Oregon money grubbers will be happy to play Boise at home next season
Money grubbers? What is the intent of OSU and WSU filing suit? To score unearned money but for 1 OSU CBB tourney appearance, and hats off to OSU for playing great for 1 season, with no WSU CBB or CFB NY6 appearances.
Go loop some more holes. Because even now let alone 5 years from now it doesn't matter money-wise.
If you do not see the benefit in playing Oregon instead of New Mexico, what can I or anyone else say?
why does it have to be New Mexico? There are plenty of P4 programs that need a game next year. So yes, no interest whatsoever in playing the ducks but again I ask why are they so interested in playing the Beavers?
Beaver fan does not care. Lucy always offers Charlie Brown a chance to kick the football and he believes she won't snatch it away as he approaches to kick it. Beavs aren't buying that shinola.
Usually, I find your comments entertaining. You’re able to mix pomposity, self pity, and over the top analogies, with unchecked hatred for all things Duck. At times your comments are almost Shakespearean. I see you as Lear on the stormy heath, raging into the wind.
However, the domestic abuse comparison in today’s rant is in poor taste. No one is being beaten, abused, betrayed, murdered, or in anyway physically harmed. A contractual arrangement, which lasted for over a hundred years has come to an end. I honestly believe the vast majority of sports fans are saddened by the abrupt and apparently, as Mr. Canzano’s brilliant and laudably impartial reporting has documented, avoidable demise of the PAC 12. Rather than spewing vitriol the less unhinged fans seem to accept the future changes.
Hackneyed as it may be, in the end it is a free country and you have a protected right to express your opinions. I would ask only that you temper your use of comparisons to domestic abuse. It is a serious, far reaching tragedy, which causes countless lives to be negatively effected for generations. I love college sports but they are nothing more than games to be enjoyed.
We need $30million from Oregon taxpayers to support our cratered AD and we won’t play Oregon in an obvious money making win for school in our empty 2024 schedule.
And that 1 game at Reser every other year is going to bring in how much, versus a home game against SDSU, Air Force, Boise St, Fresno St, etc? Keep in mind the guaranteed payout to those other teams will be less than half of what the dicks/ducks will charge, plus zero traveling fan dollars will be spent in Corvallis. So in the end, OSU will ONLY need $29.5 mil additional state support every other year instead of the full $30 mil, plus Corvallis probably loses close to that in tourist dollars. You duck dickheads really are self absorbed in how important you think you are.
Why is your original comment composed in the first person and this one in the second person? Your grammar is off. You must not have gone to a decent liberal arts school.
We just got control of all the PAC assets. You on the other hand get to send your student athletes all over hell and back. LMAO, you idjits will be begging to come back in a year or 2. Oh wait, noone from your school gives 2 💩's about your students or the child slavery that pays your bills. No morals in Eugene, just you and Phil. I can live without either
Yes, I was bitter when OR was going to be left behind. But I can still do the long-term math and it's a benefit for OSU to have Oregon on the schedule.
Have someone read what Jim Burns wrote just above since you obviously don't have the reading skills to understand it. We don't want you, we don't need you.
I think you're forgetting Ducks are already playing their Rival, Washington next year. Second, the Ducks aren't the ones needing games it's the Beavers that have no schedule and teams to play!
That would play into it as well. Not going to travel 40 or 50 miles every year to play at autzen. Stopped going to games there 20 years ago as the fans are the worst.
First of all, it's "you're." Not true, the Beavers are having no problem scheduling games. They had to wait for last Tuesdays court hearing to move forward .
Go be smug on another thread, perhaps go talk trash to Indiana fans?
See, this is the kind of demonic hate that fuels a good rivalry...The absolute vitriol of Beaver fan is boundless. Try as you might, you won't be able to ignore the Ducks unless...maybe...you move to South Dakota. You might as well play them and at least get a chance to ruin their ranking/year/day. I hope they play every year! Go Ducks!
I am sure there are a lot of great Beaver fans looking forward to the future rather than facing backwards looking for pointless blame. Oregon and Oregon State are looking to the future to try and preserve an historic rivalry. Maybe it's time for the petulance and useless blame to stop, and the support of OSU's future be the focus. All the hate and anger won't help OSU one iota. It just makes small people feel big.
Conference is dead. Civil War is dead. Leaving schools pulled the trigger and are still trying to rob the corpse on their way out. Not sure why Duck fans even care anymore. Time to move on and let it go, all of it, victim-blaming included.
Hell NO to the ducks. Even my Mom the duck, on campus when Uncle Phil was there, thinks the ducks leaving is just a travesty. This is a stupid decision and is a disgrace to all the other athletes who "play" a sport other than football.
Hell no!! They leave for no more “net” money than they would have received, given all the additional expense. Who knows what future TV rights will look like, no guarantee. Situation has left us in a dire situation, less money, no tv rights, scrambling for scheduling, no bowl affiliations, ect... not to mention every other sport. Now they are fighting us for control of the conference they helped destroy as part of the other 10. Nope, in any other business they would be told to go pound sand. I would rather schedule a game with any other P5 school (with the exception of UW). FTD!!!
If you have ever been through a divorce, what is transpiring is normal. Once loving partners are going for every red cent plus the family dog. This is a divorce under way with the courts involved. In Washington my former state, the sheets get split down the middle. Each party gets equal share. At least that is how the court is supposed to approach it. And your ex partner doesn't care if you have a game next Saturday and definitely will not join you in a game in the future. I ended up in a one bedroom apt and didn't get the dog. Midway Furniture used to have a special divorce kit, starter furniture including a bed. This is where the Cougs and Beavers find themselves. And to add insult, the former spouse ran off with the guys with flashy cars in the Big 10!
Sorry, I don't think the analogy between Divorce law and what's transpiring in the current civil proceedings involving a dispute between essentially corporate legal entities is valid. I'm pretty sure there's a reason why the attorneys engaged in this are not focused on divorce cases.
Oregon killed this game and has to live with the consequences of the public disgust. OSU should not under any circumstance bail out Oregon. The behavior of that institution through all of this has been nothing less than disgusting.
No to playing the Yucks ever again....in anything. I am truly disgusted by their money grubbing, elitist culture that does not place an emphasis on the student athlete experience and loyalty.
Let Scott Barnes know that I am completely opposed to continuing the Civil War. The Ducks broke the 108 year old relationship and tried to break Oregon State as a P5 school. Now OSU and Barnes have to scramble to maintain football relevance. The Ducks were the pin-pullers, zero doubt about that. What is so special about a Civil War between two non-conference opponents? And why should Oregon State be forced to play every game at Eugene for a "pay day" game? This is absurd. Stop it!!
You’re so shortsighted on what your team needs, Brian. Your Duck hate goes so deep you’re willing to bring serious harm to Your own team and university. It’s called “cutting your nose off to spite your face.” Stupid!
So what does my team need, Bill? New conference rivals that are not "short sighted" A-h*les? Sure. I agree and we will get them. What we don't need is more games with the team that threw OSU in the dumpster. It is so easy to be holier-than-thou when you have the protection of your Godfather. Eugene is not a very special place, I hate to tell you
You need to support Scott Barnes right now. He’s working really hard to salvage a very difficult situation. I know you’re angry and I don’t blame you for that. I too don’t feel good about the demise of the PAC-12. But at some point Beaver fans need to set aside this bitterness long enough to help support the AD, coaches, and athletes who are in need of fan support, power 5 teams to play, and many more $$ to maintain their P5 status. Help them instead of throwing more gas on the pity party fire.
It seems to that the PAC 2 was moving on until the traitorous 10 decided to prolong things with their recent frivolous legal maneuver to delay the inevitable.
Telling U of O to pound sand is not a pity party. Might be best to not play it and realize actions have consequences. Helping OSU is buying tickets and being there. Playing uo to make duck fans feel good about themselves is not helping osu as much as it is helping the ducks. I’m going to enjoy this last civil war as we know it and move on
Exactly. Well said.
Moving on sans pity party is a really good idea.
Stuff it Bill. Tell YOUR athletic director to abide by the judge's decision. I pay plenty of $$$$ for my new seats back on the west side.
Bill
just now
I was not aware that the Ducks AD stated he would refuse to abide by the judges decision. They said they’d like to appeal by today.
Barnes will build a fine schedule without the Ducks. They have been working on this for over a month and just had to wait for the courts to speak before finalizing it. Barnes already said he doesn't want to schedule the Ducks.
Good . # Oregon like OSU doesn't need to play each other.
What makes it even more disgusting is the UW is driving the traitor’s bus now. This, with intention of backing the bus over the PAC 12 body they steamrolled earlier. Not a good look, and I wonder what their new landlord thinks of the PR this generates.
I am pretty sure the Leavers got together and looked to UW to take the lead because the lawsuit was filed in their own state. They have more "standing", though any team in the PAC12 has legal standing to pursue this and other lawsuits. They are all part of the same broken league.
Bill,
You clearly don’t get how betrayed half the state feels by the UO athletic department and president. They literally screwed a very proud fan base and athletic department that built something (not bought). They knew this would be a death blow to us and city of Corvallis and moved forward anyway. I live in Corvallis and the amount of money pouring into our town this week is amazing. Do you think this will happen when we play Fresno State...yet you want us to be a good little brother and accept U of O generosity and get pounded for a paycheck. You are so tone deaf. My duck hate runs so hot that I can’t even go to Eugene. If they play the SEC then I will be an SEC fan. I wish them to lose in everything. Don’t tell me how to feel. I’m a life long beaver fan and what UO has done is unforgivable.
Half the state?? HaHaHa!! If half the state cared one whit about Beaver football they could get a huge TV contract of their own.
Death blow? My god, you’re optimism in your team Is pathetic.
By the way, unforgiveness hurts you a lot more than it will ever hurt the ones you hate. I’m sad for you, Josh.
It’s football Josh. It’s a game, not life. The sky is not falling.
Now your duck feathers are showing. There’s that arrogance we all know. Even your former AD Pat Kilkenny said that the only difference between the two schools success in athletics is because of Phil Knight. Even with all that money you still don’t have any National Championships. Yet you act like you are a blue blood. Blue blood programs win championships! The big ten will teach you all about it. I’m a loyal beav and will keep cheering on our teams. Thanks for caring about my mental health though. I think I’ll be okay but I always sleep a little better when your arrogant fanbase gets so close yet so far. The sad part is that the whole state enjoyed the civil war for a hundred plus years and it was all thrown away by UO. Now they want to make it work while we operate on half the money and resources. Sorry Bill but don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. I’d rather play Fresno State.
Read the comments presented by Backdoor regarding the FACTS on how the conference imploded. There are many reasons the conference died. Your hatred of the Ducks has blinded you from the truth.
ActuallyJosh, moving down to play Fresno State and the rest of the MWC is probably more in tune with real community football, Corvallis football. There is certainly a lot less money at that level both coming in and going out. I just hope OSU can pay for that new stadium without having P5 status.
The Beavers will be at the top of that league most every year, for awhile at least, and you can then be arrogant, like me!😃 Best of luck!
The stadium is already paid for so we don’t have that to worry about. I think we are both fans of our programs and can respect that. It just really sucks when the Beavs have all this momentum and deserved respect only to have it snatched away by greedy media companies. I just don’t think people realize how much this hurts fans and then to ask us to turn around and play nice with program that gave the final blow is too much no matter how much it may help. I’d say good luck but I can’t ever wish luck to the ducks ever but good luck to you Bill in all other things😇
I like our new rival...WSU. Time for a NEW ERA.
You say some nice things above then dig deeper to cast insults that our team is pathetic and half the state cares not about OSU. You start with being gratuitous then youre deep seeded feelings quickly come out. Now do you understand whay Beaver faithful are frustrated when some of your fanbase has deep seeded sentiments like yours?
What I was trying to say is that more than half the state never cares about any football, never watches any games, has no loyalty to any team. While there are those that are avid fans of both the Beavers and Ducks, there are avid fans of Portland State, Eastern Oregon etc., plus many who have moved here that are avid fans of their out of state teams. It is a mistake to say “half the state is hurting about what’s happened to OSU football.” My guess is it might be more like 5-10% of the total Oregon population.
I do understand. I also understand it’s all about the game of football. Fans are like players…good friends off the field, fierce and loyal on the field. Fans trash talk, it’s nothing personal! I hope you take fan banter as part of the game, not part of real life. Football is a game, full stop.
Nailed it!
And...OSU is now asking the state of Oregon for $30mil to shore up its budget. UofO didn’t just screw over OSU football, this cost will get passed on to the students and taxpayers. They screwed over a bunch of people, and for what? To build more monuments to athletics on campus, higher more admins, and a chance to play Michigan and Ohio State every year? As an alumni walking around UofO campus last weekend for the first time in awhile I was kinda grossed out by how much had been spent on “appearances”. Won’t be going to another football game for awhile.
So, if OSU gets its request granted it would then get 110 million more dollars a year from the State of Oregon than UO does.
And we deserve it
ONE QUESTION J C
OTHERS ARE REPORTING THAT THE MWC DEAL IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The schedule for 2024 (Beavers) is nearly done and the tie up with the MWC does not appear. There might be some schools from there, but (reading between the lines) I believe there are other schools in the 2024 schedule which (others) have indicated it is going to be a good schedule we will all like.
Can you further address this, please?
Also, would you please do part of an article that related to the NBA and this “In Tournament “ What in the heck is and why are the “floors “ being painted??? I do not get it !!!
THANKS J C
Weak sauce Steve M. Just don't know How Oregon Athletic Department can survive without your support....
Another creative, you must be one of UofOs finest. Once the Phil train stops (tick-tock), they’ll need all the help they can get.
Do you know how to spell endowment? be smarter
I’m glad to hear his lawyers are talking to yours. Seems like this is all under control.
Shockenly Phil & Penny Knight have not informed me of their Charitable plans but I believe (hope) that the UofO will be well taken care of in the future.
I did as you asked and let Scott Barnes know your feelings on continuing the Civil War.
He said: "Who's Brian McMorris? And, is he willing to pony up the lost revenue from discontinuing the Civil War?"
I told him you sounded like it on this forum, but would double-check with you...
Mr. Rich,
I do enjoy creative sarcasm! Thank you
You set the standard, P.H...keep 'em comin'!
If Brian McMorris had the money to pony up to save the athletic program we would not be in this situation. What OSU does not have is a sugar-daddy. If OSU did, they would not be in this mess. Chalk one up to learning that college sports really has little to do with college any more. The key is to get a frustrated billionaire who really wants to own a major league sports team but can't find one to buy. So he turns his college program into a major league sport. $1B plus is cheap compared to the cost of an NFL franchise. I guess Phil got quite the bargain. Anyone at OSU talked to Mr Huang, yet?
You sound bitter...correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm worried about you.
Life is great....as long as I don't have to talk to any Duck fan
You'd miss me, Brian, I'm your favorite Ducks fan. You gotta have one!
Like missing the vibration, rumble and dust after you get off 10 miles of washboarded gravel forest service road onto paved highway.
I'd rather play Eastern Washington every year than ever play the holier than thou ducks who are against all transgressions in the world except child slavery so that they can have 2,000 uniform options for football. Screw the ducks, screw their fans. I'll NEVER buy a ticket to watch the Beavers play them.
I'll pass that along to Scott Barnes, too, Anthony...you and Brian McMorris combined undoubtedly will cause him to think again.
Well, the cost of a game ticket to attend E. Washington game vs Oregon, I can see your point.
You didn't do squat, Francis.
Speaking of "squat", thanks for your deep, insightful contributions.
...yawn...
Have you and Timmy Larson decided whose turn it is to use that puerile retort?
Try to keep up, Chuckie, or I can find a 12 year-old to explain it to you.
Yep. You can look in the mirror and find that 12 year old.
Don't act like the top brass at Oregon State wouldn't have done the exact same thing had the roles been reversed. If you want to target someone for your ire then point it at Colorado who, I remind you, pulled out of the Pac before either Oregon or Washington. When the Pac-10 became the Pac-9 the writing was on the wall and an offer was on the table. Hell, if anything blame USC since they're the ones that started all of this to begin with and if rumors are to be believed even tried to put a caveat in that Oregon would be blacklisted from joining the B1G in the future as well.
At least Oregon is trying to make the best out of a bad situation by preserving this historic matchup and protected non-conference rivalry games are neither new nor always ineffectual. Get over your bias and see that this is a mutually beneficial potential outcome and if anything it hits Oregon harder, at least in the short run, as they're the ones who'll have to buy out the spot from Boise St. and potentially others down the line.
There's something really interesting hearing a school that just stabbed you in the back and you're still hemorrhaging and they're now arguing that they really know what's best for you and you should just trust them and come play in their yard with them--all in your own best interest, of course. And if you don't agree, you're just jealous and bitter fools.
Maybe time to make new friends and just let the old ones go.
Wonder if we could just give them the old, "It's not you. It's me", line.
You know, this "whataboutism" is pretty sickening. I am pretty damn sure the OSU brass woud NOT have done the same. We can never know. But OSU does not have an egomaniac like Phil Knight running and paying for its athletic programs.
What you call whataboutism I call realism. Like it or not collegiate football is a business now and a damned big one at that and conference realignment is decided by the school's presidents, not their AD's. If the B1G had extended an invite to the Beavers the big wigs that make such decisions absolutely would've grabbed that bag and I wouldn't fault them for it either. I love the Pac-12 and have defended it publicly throughout my life but I'm also an adult that knows that in business pragmatism trumps pride every time.
Well, now we know that what you value most as "an adult" is money.
LOL. It’s not about what HE values. It’s about what a Big Business values.
That's why there are legal constraints on what businesses can do in their quest for profits. The problem that has surged to the fore wrt CFB is that restraints that were previously in place to temper the effect of un-limited money and pay for play on competition are gone and it is now an un-regulated arms race.
The NFL is big business right? Successful, right? The NFL recognized long ago that there needed to be restrictions in place to ensure some level of parity and opportunity for all of it's Franchises, in order for it to maintain their health and the NFL's PROFITABILITY as whole.
Here are just a few measures the NFL has in place to ensure health of it's product across the league:
1) Draft order based on worst to best previous season record.
2) Difficulty of next season's schedule based on best to worst record
3) Revenue sharing
4) Salary cap
NONE of this exists in CFB. There are no rules now other than he who has the most money to spend wins. That's a recipe for the emerging disaster that realignment will end up being without some recognition that what is good for an individual school in the short term, is not not necessarily what's good for them or any other competing school in the long term.
Yawn
Another way to write what you wrote:
I know I raped you and screwed you up pretty bad, but we all know if I was the one not paying attention, you would have raped me if given the opportunity.
Talk about laying blame on the victim.
Yes. I can feel all the love and compassion from Oregon. Thank you so much for thinking of us. We should bow at your feet as we get scraps from your table.
Get over your own bias. This doesn't hit Knight School harder. Two years in a row at West Springfield. No thanks.
Did I misread John's article. Did he write it was a payday game vs home & home. It seems the 2 schools are seeing if they can replace BSU's home & home with UO. Seem civil to me.
But we know you are always right Brian. Scott Barnes needs you as his advisor.
So I am brilliant not to want to ever play the Ducks again? I am glad you recognize that. Why should I want my team to ever travel to Eugene again? Do you think all the California and Florida kids at OSU just can't live without seeing Eugene? Are you that arrogant? You go your way and we will go ours. Lets have a nice clean divorce. You can't kick OSU in the teeth and then smile and pat us on the back. Sorry. Done with you, forever
Saturday I will be at Reser rooting on the Beavs (the school I taught at for 11 years) . Following Friday I will drive to Eugene to root on all our Oregon football athletes which hopefully will not be the last time our 2 Oregon University compete which seems to be your preference. My guess most Oregon State athletes would like to keep that annual competition in all sports but what do I know. Hopefully the winner of this Civil War will then win the last PAC12 championship in Vegas the week later.
My guess this weekend game in Corvallis will be the biggest game Reser has ever had. Hopefully it won't be the last big game. Go Beav! Beat the Huskies!
It won’t be the last big game. Just think, your self proclaimed “biggest game ever” doesn’t involve the Ducks. How will we ever have another big game without the fighting Northern Californians from Eugene.
Good question. As for my proclamation guess as tomorrow being Reser's "biggest game ever" I base it on the fact this game is national and involves 2 top 10 nationally ranked teams late in the season. It's also the last PAC12 game in Reser as we know it. I believe the only other time that happened at Reser was 2000 when #5 Oregon played #8 OSU which the Beavs won sending them to their greatest season ever by beating ND at the Fiesta Bowl. I was at both of those games in 2000 and the tickets were a lot cheaper back then. I didn't want to miss this one so I scarfed up one of the last SRO tickets left.
Go Beavs! Beat the Huskies.
Not saying it’s not a big game and arguably on par with the 2000 civil war. I will be there with bells on being a season ticket holder for the last 27 years. Just pointing out that the Ducks are not involved and don’t need to be involved for big games to happen at Reser. I believe that you stop dealing with people who through their own self serving actions have severely impacted your livelihood. There are other big games out there to schedule, where the other party didn’t impact your livelihood in a negative way. OSU doesn’t owe anything to UO, their fans, the people of the State of Oregon to continue this game. Find other opponents of interest, that will rent hotel rooms and support the Corvallis economy, they are out there.
Agree 100% Brian. They cut our throats so why make them look like the “good guy” wanting another game against the Beavers.
Hell No Barnes !!! Fill the time slot with a team from Texas for recruiting exposure!!!
You guys don't get it. Nobody is racing to the phone to schedule a game against the Beavers. Nobody is racing to play a game in Corvallis. All the kids playing for your program will be racing for the transfer portal as will your coach. It's time to start making good things out of bad situations.
Where do you get your information?
I think you might want find another source, as I believe you are wrong!!!
Which part did I get wrong? What do you think is going to happen when the 4 and five stars are looking around and find themselves not playing in a Power 5 conference, not eligible to play in any conferences championship game, no bowl tie-in, and no plans to get the games on any TV channel anyone has ever heard of? When the NIL money dries right up because the team is now basically JV. Nobody is sticking around for that and who could blame them? The coach too, no exposure on TV means no way to recruit besides in person and even then lets say you're in a high-school prospects kitchen, what can you even promise the parents at this point? That The Beavers took the honest route and didn't take off leaving their conference torn to shreds? That they have the moral high-ground over Oregon, but play their games on Hulu 2 or something? Nobody is going to care. They just want a full-ride, lots of NIL money, good playing facilities, and to be on TV once a week on a decent channel with decent advertising. OSU won't be able to promise any of that, maybe the nice facilities if Reser isn't forclosed on. I'm not rooting for any of this, but the writing is on the wall.
I would like to say this. Until everything is settled with the assets of the PAC and a schedule is presented, if I were you, I might want to retract my comments.
There are a lot of good schools out that have open dates and behind the scenes, we may have some of them on a 2024 schedule already, just saying.
Amen to that. Let's create new rivals in fun atmospheres.
As a long-time native Oregonian who has attended Civil War games my entire life no matter the venue, I am pleased Oregon and OSU are considering continuing the game; I love college football. I do however, recoil when talk of the Oregon Legislature should mandate such an event. There are bigger issues bedeviling this state than whether or not a football game is played in the fall
Like making sure our students have a legitimate and functional education
From K thru 12 with academic benchmarks for progression in the system. The State of Oregon education system is a dumpster fire being fueled by Woke teacher’s unions and the bureaucrats that drink from that trough.
Teachers just want and deserve to get paid. Keep your woke labels in the trash where they belong. I mean it's nice y'all have a blanket word to affix to everything you don't like, but it's childish and only one side uses that term.
Oregon and UW are AAU member schools and will not lose this honor by joining the B1G where every school, other than Nebraska, is an AAU member.
Big Whoop!!
Yes like funding for our schools, spent wisely, if that can happen is the real question?
There is so much “waste” in spending in this State it is unbelievable!!!!
One might be the PPS administration pay, and that goes also to these CEO’s of the Hospitals, and the purchases their department
Heads make!!! Absolutely terrible!!!
More than anything we need a clear path to becoming a teacher. Oregon has the largest elementary class size average in the country at nearly 25 students per homeroom classroom.
Yet its incredibly hard to actually become a teacher. 4 years of undergrad, fine, but then you need to do a teacher ed program that takes 1 year, costs at least 10K (some over 25K), and student teaching for 3 months in which you can't work to gain an income.
If we want change in our education system make it financially easier to become a teacher. Student teachers should be earning an income. Teacher ed programs to get certified should be "free" (tuition charges withheld and dismissed so long as you complete it and teach for at least 5 years).
We need more teachers in classrooms. We need more classrooms period. It is absurd that we don't address the biggest problem in education: most people who would love to have a career in teaching can't afford to become teachers.
This Civil War talk feels like asking an ex out for a romantic dinner 9 months after an ugly divorce. Seems like a cooling off period of a couple years might be better. Absence they say makes the heart grow fonder.
An Abused ex who was beaten silly by her former spouse as he was discovered sleeping with another. And now the ex wants to come back and kick her some more. Yep, that is pretty predictable
I know. I can't believe Oregon keeps trying to crawl back with all the beatings and abuse they've taken from us the past few years.
Feels more like having a stalker to deal with.
How can we miss Knight School when it won't go away?
But it appears it’s also your AD that won’t let “it go away🤷🏻♀️
Let me know if you have knowledge of which party is most actively seeking this?
Beaver fans regardless of their positions on this, don't control what OSU ends up deciding on this subject, but perhaps our voicing objections to it can influence what happens. It goes without saying that the influence is greater, the bigger the wallets of those speaking and I honestly don't know what the big money donors are saying.
I'm for whatever decision will result in a richly deserved and enduring low regard for Knight School's athletic department. I wish bad fortune on their programs.
I have no idea if it’s both parties are working together or not. I am sorry you have so much disdain for Mr. Knight & the athletic department. I understand being bitter but I don’t think like that so it’s hard for me to fathom. Anyway, good luck against the Huskies!
But you can fathom using the profits from child slavery to make sure your team has over 2,000 uniform options for football? Good to know you have not just priorities but the morals of a 3rd world dictator.
You don’t know me & I don’t know you. Quit with the assumptions.
If there was any way we could beat the Fuskies and not have it work to
Knight School's advantage, that would be the best situation. Good luck Sun Devils.
Nope. GO DUCKS all day long!!!!
Lots of anger here. Should O have declined the B1G offer in hope that Apple would still offer the $25M with incentives vs B1G $35M increasing each year to at least $70M in six years? Should they have put themselves in such a disadvantaged position simply bc OSU wasn’t offered the same deal?
I get the hate. Nobody likes to get picked last (or not at all). If OSU had to be part of it the B1G would have pulled their offer. NOBODY likes this. Not Ducks, not Beavers, not the two northern schools.
Unless OSU focuses on getting into a P4 conference, they will die a slow painful death. It’s time to put feelings aside and focus on getting that done within the next two years. Declining the option to play O and replacing them with a “new rivalry” (San Jose State anyone) would be a bigger blunder than Lanning forsaking the FG and going for it on 4th down.
Your first paragraph is the TRUTH and EXACTLY what Beaver fans choose to ignore so that they can spew their hatred and blame toward the Ducks.
Maybe if they hadn't lied the night before saying that they were all in on the Apple deal then they pulled the rug out. Lying, sanctimonious POS.
What is your source? Do we know this as 100% fact? I'm not so sure. Plus in Business, which is what this is all about, Big Business, there is no actual agreement until it is signed. I HATE that the conference has imploded. It is very sad and hard for me to accept. I also feel bad for Oregon State and Washington State. I hope they can find a good solution going forward. I just completely disagree that the Ducks are the main ones to blame and that the Apple deal was actually okay for the future of the schools. It was a business decision. Recruiting is the life blood of every program. Limited exposure with a lousy Apple deal would have killed recruiting. It's all a shame, but I can't blame the Ducks for making the business choice they did.
The Apple deal would have been a complete disaster. Worse yet, not one network was even interested in trying to shoehorn in even a couple of the Pac games on linear TV to go along with Apple. That's just how bad the networks viewed the Pac product at that point.
Well put, honestly.
Apple deal was a death blow to Oregon recruiting IMHO.
Are they recruiting football
players or social media “influencers”? The social
Media angle is not working out so well for the Spoiled Children, eh?
There is some merit in that. People can hate WHAT they did - but perhaps understand it - yet HOW they did it causes the greatest angst. The midnight betrayal is tough to swallow. I can see that reasoning.
My feeling is that regardless, this is where we are. They still gotta join a P4 conference. The thought of rebuilding the P-12 feels good, but the likelihood of it working out is very small.
Hate the defectors, while at the same time hope they advocate for OSU/WSU inclusion
Well, it's my understanding the Big Ten came in even later than Midnight after they absorbed the knowledge that Colorado was out, and Arizona had a Big12 offer it was considering. Then, they lowballed UW and UO and got them to bite after UW and UO heard about Arizona.
Quit passing off blame. AZ was present to sign the Apple deal. They jumped to the Big12 only after UW and UO decided to screw everyone over. They signed a contract the day before to do the deal and then next morning just abandoned the conference.
According to a later column in the Tucson paper, Arizona had a Big12 deal in hand from the day before. They had permission from the Big12 commissioner to listen to the Pac12's latest offer before signing with the Big12.
There was no signed deal for the Pac12 before the Friday meeting. It was all verbal, while Arizona also had the verbal agreement with the Big12 from the day before.
After UW announced they were leaving, then confirmed next by UO also, the meeting proceeded with the "reveal" which was streaming only and $25M.
Arizona immediately contacted the Big12 to confirm their deal. Then Utah and ASU asked for reconsideration by the Big12.
Unfortunately at the time, OSU, WSU, Cal and Stanford did not have those options.
You would be naive to believe UW and UO didn't know what Commissioner K was bringing on Friday while they were talking to the Big10 after midnight the night before. Especially UW knew that the deal was not going to be enough with UW's budget running a deficit so they bailed. UO quickly followed.
In retrospect UW and UO probably accepted too little from the BigTen but the only other option for negotiations was a skimpy offer from the Pac.
That could have easily been the case. Nobody on this thread knows. For all we know, OSU got the same offer but they told the B1G, “There’s more to life than money! We’re staying here with our brethren!” So the B1G took O and UW as a back-up plan. Ha
For all we know, the moon is made of green cheese. No. actually we know it isn't. As we also know, the BFD conference never tendered any kind of offer to OSU.
Schmuck fans can dish it but they go into snowflake mode and cry when they get the opprobrium they richly deserve in return. It's words, not sticks and stones.
Making a decision based on money, power and prestige might be a selfish decision that hurts a lot of people. U of O made a selfish decision. It was a choice and they knew what it would do and did it anyway.
Honestly, I'm sure I'm in the vast minority but at this point I'd be more in favor of the Beavers dropping all sports rather than accept being a G5 member. I've been watching a Pac 8/10/12 Beaver program for over 60 years and have zero interest in watching them fade down to San Jose, New Mexico and Hawaii status. Just drop all sports and be done with it. Its less painful than watching all this crap go down. Again, I know I'm probably the only one who feels this way, but I just can't or won't watch it happen.
There will be a lot of W's on the horizon if OSU partners with the Mt. West. And, a better shot at a CFP spot because of those W's than what UW and UO will have. Boise State fans weren't unhappy going to three Fiesta Bowls due to the W-L image they had. The same is on the horizon for the Beavers if they will just focus forward without the self-pity.
Bullshit. Maybe a lot of MWC wins but non competitive against quality P4 teams. Boise had a good run because of Chris Peterson. And he had no desire to leave Boise while his kids were in school. Lightening in a bottle. Not much different than Mark Few at Gonzaga. What has Boise turned into since Peterson left? That's OSU's future. Even if they get to the CFB playoffs as the best group of 5 champion, have you seen the difference in payouts between a P4 vs G6 participant? They aren't even close. The ducks will make more from the playoffs as a Big 10 NON participant than the Beavs would get by being a G6 participant. They would also NEVER get a home game as at their level they'd get seeded based on their CFP ranking, not as a conference champion. So they'd most likely end up playing on the road against the #2 team from the SEC or Big 10. Imagine going 11-1, winning the MWC and a spot in the CFP, AND STILL having to go play on the road at Autzen against the #2 or #3 Big 10 ducks? No thanks, I want no part of it.
My point is OSU can have a good run too. And, likely more CFP entries than UW or UO in the next 10 years. IF, they get over the woe is me shit and start taking advantage of a G5 situation. Not sure UO/UW would often be higher than 9-12 which means no home game either. OSU needs to leverage the possible rather than bemoan the impossible. Take a one scoop cone rather than complaining you weren't offered a two scoop and rejecting any.
The other possibility that needs to be explored is "buying their way in" like SMU did. Use the leftover Pac12 funds to self-support while flirting with the Big12.
I don't agree with your point and never will. Never have. If everyone else is getting 2 scoops of ice cream and I'm told to be happy I'm getting one, my choice is to tell you to fuck.yourself, knock all the ice cream on the floor so nobody gets ice cream, then move to another area and find people who treat me with the same dignity and respect as they do everyone else. I'm never going kneel down and thank you for treating me like an inferior human being. Sounds to me like you're very comfortable being a second class citizen thanking the 1st class for giving you the scraps off their plate. That's your choice, but it sure as hell isn't mine.
I'm just suggesting it is better to be practical when the possible seems out of reach. Otherwise you come across as a temper tantrum kid who gets no respect from anyone. Move forward. Take advantage of the G5 chance, kill it there, then you'll be able to buy your own ice cream. Only a kid would think EVERYONE else is getting what they want.
Oh c'mon now, this Wagon Queen Family Truckster is a beauty. Smell that leather!
Gosh, I hadn't realized that Beavers' self-pity was the problem to this disaster. Thanks, so good to know! Everything would be just perfect if not for that, I guess.
Yeah, I'd say a stupid idea like that puts you distinctly in the minority. A minority of one.
The only the Civil War (which will be civil no more) should continue is if the Beavs figure out a way to continue funding at the Power 5 level and can build schedules that will continue to attract Power 5 kids. If this thing morphs into Big-10 vs. MWC, which I'm sure is what the Ducks hope will happen, why would the Beavs want to play on an uneven playing field?
I just do not see a path where OSU and WSU will be able to schedule 8 games vs P5 opponents. This would be the minimum number of games to give 'independent' OSU and WSU a PO shot and a Pac-2 (12) championship is not going to make the schedules PO-worthy.
Oregon's offer to play OSU is giving the Beavers a chance to materially improve the 2024/25 SOS.
You 'don't see a path'? Who are you Lewis or Clark? You don't get it. Why would we ever wanna play a team that stabbed us in the back and killed the conference in the process? Your arguments focus on money which is not surprising. Given the University of Oregon is a greedy money, grubbing university whose leader ship has no moral values. The strength of schedule argument is valid but there are plenty of other teams we could schedule, so the question is why are the ducks so interested in playing the beavers next year?
OK, my friend.
Oregon money grubbers will be happy to play Boise at home next season
Money grubbers? What is the intent of OSU and WSU filing suit? To score unearned money but for 1 OSU CBB tourney appearance, and hats off to OSU for playing great for 1 season, with no WSU CBB or CFB NY6 appearances.
Go loop some more holes. Because even now let alone 5 years from now it doesn't matter money-wise.
If you do not see the benefit in playing Oregon instead of New Mexico, what can I or anyone else say?
why does it have to be New Mexico? There are plenty of P4 programs that need a game next year. So yes, no interest whatsoever in playing the ducks but again I ask why are they so interested in playing the Beavers?
Plenty of P4 programs without a full dance card? Try UW. Ohio State before UW went B1G canceled an H+H with UW.
The vast majority of P4 schedules are already in place through 2030.
I agree. Why do the Ducks want to help out the Beavers? As of now, OSU has 1 game on its schedule next season, Washington State.
Idaho state, boise state, Purdue, and wsu. They have 4 games. Why do you feel the need to fight for a game that clearly has lost meaning?
Beaver fan does not care. Lucy always offers Charlie Brown a chance to kick the football and he believes she won't snatch it away as he approaches to kick it. Beavs aren't buying that shinola.
Mr. McMorris,
Usually, I find your comments entertaining. You’re able to mix pomposity, self pity, and over the top analogies, with unchecked hatred for all things Duck. At times your comments are almost Shakespearean. I see you as Lear on the stormy heath, raging into the wind.
However, the domestic abuse comparison in today’s rant is in poor taste. No one is being beaten, abused, betrayed, murdered, or in anyway physically harmed. A contractual arrangement, which lasted for over a hundred years has come to an end. I honestly believe the vast majority of sports fans are saddened by the abrupt and apparently, as Mr. Canzano’s brilliant and laudably impartial reporting has documented, avoidable demise of the PAC 12. Rather than spewing vitriol the less unhinged fans seem to accept the future changes.
Hackneyed as it may be, in the end it is a free country and you have a protected right to express your opinions. I would ask only that you temper your use of comparisons to domestic abuse. It is a serious, far reaching tragedy, which causes countless lives to be negatively effected for generations. I love college sports but they are nothing more than games to be enjoyed.
Pompous post as well!!
Mr. T,
Perhaps? Tone of my post aside, let me ask you, do you find domestic abuse a joking matter? Normally, I would not respond, but I am curious.
We need $30million from Oregon taxpayers to support our cratered AD and we won’t play Oregon in an obvious money making win for school in our empty 2024 schedule.
-Logic of Bitter Beaver Fan
And that 1 game at Reser every other year is going to bring in how much, versus a home game against SDSU, Air Force, Boise St, Fresno St, etc? Keep in mind the guaranteed payout to those other teams will be less than half of what the dicks/ducks will charge, plus zero traveling fan dollars will be spent in Corvallis. So in the end, OSU will ONLY need $29.5 mil additional state support every other year instead of the full $30 mil, plus Corvallis probably loses close to that in tourist dollars. You duck dickheads really are self absorbed in how important you think you are.
We?
Gotta forgive them Chuck. Most of them didn't actually attend college much less the UofO and aren't very good at trolling.
Yes, you the Bitter Beaver Fan.
Why is your original comment composed in the first person and this one in the second person? Your grammar is off. You must not have gone to a decent liberal arts school.
“We need to pull our heads out of our butts and stop blaming other people for our problems.”
-Chuck
Make sense to you now?
I'll thank you to not attribute comments to me that I did not make.
Hope that makes sense to you, because it's a sleazy douchelord move.
We just got control of all the PAC assets. You on the other hand get to send your student athletes all over hell and back. LMAO, you idjits will be begging to come back in a year or 2. Oh wait, noone from your school gives 2 💩's about your students or the child slavery that pays your bills. No morals in Eugene, just you and Phil. I can live without either
Dang, if the role is reversed wouldn't you be bitter?
Yes, I was bitter when OR was going to be left behind. But I can still do the long-term math and it's a benefit for OSU to have Oregon on the schedule.
I do the math and it doesn't help OSU.
Show your math to receive credit.
Have someone read what Jim Burns wrote just above since you obviously don't have the reading skills to understand it. We don't want you, we don't need you.
I'm crushed by your spluttering rebuke.
Heck. They're bitter when they're on the better end of the stick.
Yeah. No thanks.
That greedy school can form a new rivalry with Rutgers or something.
I think you're forgetting Ducks are already playing their Rival, Washington next year. Second, the Ducks aren't the ones needing games it's the Beavers that have no schedule and teams to play!
There are plenty of other teams to play. No Knight School. Ever. and especially not in West Springfield two years in a row.
That would play into it as well. Not going to travel 40 or 50 miles every year to play at autzen. Stopped going to games there 20 years ago as the fans are the worst.
I know you're angry, but now you are insulting Springfield. A bridge too far Chuck.
Mea Culpa.
First of all, it's "you're." Not true, the Beavers are having no problem scheduling games. They had to wait for last Tuesdays court hearing to move forward .
Go be smug on another thread, perhaps go talk trash to Indiana fans?
The Beavers DEFINITELY do not need the Ducks. The Ducks are fish sh-t on the bottom of the ocean as far as I am concerned. Go pound it
See, this is the kind of demonic hate that fuels a good rivalry...The absolute vitriol of Beaver fan is boundless. Try as you might, you won't be able to ignore the Ducks unless...maybe...you move to South Dakota. You might as well play them and at least get a chance to ruin their ranking/year/day. I hope they play every year! Go Ducks!
The worst thing you can do to Knight School attention seekers is ignore them. Buh bye.
Not sorry. Reser's.
I am sure there are a lot of great Beaver fans looking forward to the future rather than facing backwards looking for pointless blame. Oregon and Oregon State are looking to the future to try and preserve an historic rivalry. Maybe it's time for the petulance and useless blame to stop, and the support of OSU's future be the focus. All the hate and anger won't help OSU one iota. It just makes small people feel big.
Conference is dead. Civil War is dead. Leaving schools pulled the trigger and are still trying to rob the corpse on their way out. Not sure why Duck fans even care anymore. Time to move on and let it go, all of it, victim-blaming included.
Hell NO to the ducks. Even my Mom the duck, on campus when Uncle Phil was there, thinks the ducks leaving is just a travesty. This is a stupid decision and is a disgrace to all the other athletes who "play" a sport other than football.
Tell the sellout Ducks to not bother trying to get the Civil War next year.
Hell no!! They leave for no more “net” money than they would have received, given all the additional expense. Who knows what future TV rights will look like, no guarantee. Situation has left us in a dire situation, less money, no tv rights, scrambling for scheduling, no bowl affiliations, ect... not to mention every other sport. Now they are fighting us for control of the conference they helped destroy as part of the other 10. Nope, in any other business they would be told to go pound sand. I would rather schedule a game with any other P5 school (with the exception of UW). FTD!!!
If you have ever been through a divorce, what is transpiring is normal. Once loving partners are going for every red cent plus the family dog. This is a divorce under way with the courts involved. In Washington my former state, the sheets get split down the middle. Each party gets equal share. At least that is how the court is supposed to approach it. And your ex partner doesn't care if you have a game next Saturday and definitely will not join you in a game in the future. I ended up in a one bedroom apt and didn't get the dog. Midway Furniture used to have a special divorce kit, starter furniture including a bed. This is where the Cougs and Beavers find themselves. And to add insult, the former spouse ran off with the guys with flashy cars in the Big 10!
Sorry, I don't think the analogy between Divorce law and what's transpiring in the current civil proceedings involving a dispute between essentially corporate legal entities is valid. I'm pretty sure there's a reason why the attorneys engaged in this are not focused on divorce cases.
Oregon killed this game and has to live with the consequences of the public disgust. OSU should not under any circumstance bail out Oregon. The behavior of that institution through all of this has been nothing less than disgusting.
I’m in the NO civil war camp. Clean break!
No to playing the Yucks ever again....in anything. I am truly disgusted by their money grubbing, elitist culture that does not place an emphasis on the student athlete experience and loyalty.
Yawn
I thought there was another commenter here who had a copyright on that vapid retort.
Come to think of it, have you and the real rich ever been seen in the same place together?
Then kiss the 2024/25 PO goodbye.
Ok. Worth it saw off on the schmucks. No guarantee of PO with or without em.
“Accept what life gives you; deal with it without emotion; then forget it.” Zen wisdom.
In other words just bend over and say, "Thank you sir. May I please have another".
My philosophy is guided by this principle, "The meek shall inherit nothing".