Sep 2, 2022·edited Sep 2, 2022Liked by John Canzano
Count me among the naysayers that a 12-team CFP will accomplish what people think it will. The one thing it will obviously do is what those presidents who voted for it truly want...make more money. And yes, there will be teams whose games would otherwise have been "meaningless" (since the playoff is now the end-all-be-all) that now will have more importance.
John, I specifically have to take exception with your comparison of the playoffs in professional sports. College football does not have mechanisms like a player draft to foster such parity. The Top 100 players in a given recruiting class tend to congregate, with few exceptions, at a very small handful of schools. There is simply no comparison between the gaps of the #1 team vs #5 team in college and the #1 seed vs #5 seed in the NFL playoffs.
What I think we're far more likely to see out of this than a cinderella team winning a title is a 2-loss Alabama/Georgia/Ohio State, who would have been left out of a 4-team playoff, get what amounts to a mulligan, make the field and stomp everyone on their way to a title. Then everyone who wanted to see different teams in the end will complain that this wasn't what they asked for.
All the rush of adrenaline we used to feel from seeing a #1 or #2 team go down in the regular season won't mean a thing. Remember when the Beavers beat #1 USC back in 2008? That loss kept them out of the BCS. Now, USC would just shrug over a loss like that.
I see this comment all of the time but there is no merit to the argument. The CFP teams have been selected by people independent of the networks.
Can you honestly say that the SEC teams that have qualified for the CFP got there unfairly and there were other teams more deserving? I don’t think so. (For the record, I am a UCLA alum.)
Is the SEC likely to place a higher number of teams compared to other conferences in an expanded playoff? It is likely but it isn’t because of EAPN bias. Look at the NFL draft for goodness sakes. Which conference do the top choices usually play in? The SEC. Is that because of ESPN, too?
It's just very interesting how two SEC teams in end up in the playoffs and never meet each other in first round. . And why 99 percent of the time that the championship game is in SEC state. Sometimes close to Alabama. And who broadcasts most of not all the bowl games? ESECPN. I remember when Alabama won a couple of yrs ago watching the next day Her he said" our reciever out ran theirs. Our this our that.
Now, c’mon. Here are previous and future sites of the CFP Championship Game:
2015 - Arlington, Tex
2016 - Glendale, Ariz
2017 - Tampa
2018 - Atlanta
2019 - Bay Area
2020 - New Orleans
2021 - Miami
2022- Indianapolis
2023 - Los Angeles
2024 - Houston
So Atlanta and New Orleans are traditional SEC cities but that is it.
And, from attending the 2017 championship game (my daughter went to Clemson), I can assure you fan interest is much higher (and so are secondary market ticket prices) when the games are played in the South.
I fully expect Fox to soon cover the CFP games every few years but don’t think it will change the likely teams making that game. The talent is either in the South or it heads there from other places in the country.
As a fan, I understand that too. Until you have experienced a Saturday on a college campus in the South you won’t understand the passion those fans have for the game. West Coast football just isn’t the same from a passion perspective.
Sep 2, 2022·edited Sep 3, 2022Liked by John Canzano
should happen asap. wish the Ducks could join the big boys before it is too late. the pac-12 is a weak conference and unless they get ESPN to give them large tv deal, they are doomed. for a long time. .
I think this is a plus for both the Pac-12 and Oregon. Knowing that the conference will have a participant every year and that the championship game will be a play-in for the CFP might make the TV rights more valuable.
As for Oregon, it would seem the path for them to get in regularly is to stay in the Pac-12, rather than try to win an 18+ team conference against the likes of OSU and Michigan, or hope for 1 of 6 at-large bids where you are also measured against SEC teams.
Whether or not that would be enough for UO to turn down a Big Ten invite, especially if the money is a lot better, I don't know. But if they stay in the Pac, they're in a good spot with this format.
Mr. Hard Count: The Pac-10 or pac-8 will not be in the final four, or even final 16, in football Americano in this decade. If there is no guaranteed spot if you win your league, like in college hoops, they are beyond doomed. Called money, and they soon will have less than they do now. Only real college football is found in the Big-10, SEC, and the ACC. If all the pac-10 schools banded their nickels and dimes together, in 5.834 years they could form one good team. Not sure which league would take them.
if ESPN does not step in with MILLIONS of real American dollars very soon, kiss the Pac-10 good by. One rocket scientist on here, says the solution is to invite Miami amd Florida State to take huge many million dollar pay cuts, and join the Pac-10! Really, Fact check me. I will not use his name; that is up to Mr. Canzano. I think he knows the author. Maybe Alabama would like to forfeit $100 million dollars upfront, in real American dollars, to join the conference of champions. If they do, then they can be a real football team, and make the final four once every 47 years instead of every year. If I ever hear Bill Walton call the pac-10 the conference of champions ever again, I will throw my glass of water at the tv, really. Over the years, I have donated just two tvs via this method. Maybe he did not mean football or basketball. Might have been competiitve cheer that the OSU Beavers are hoping to have within 8.935 years. Ducks have one now some Duck friend told me years ago. Do not mean any disrespect at all as I have been a die-hard Duck fan for about 60 years. My point is that football and basketball bring in millions each per year, and support all the other sports. Maybe if not Alabama, the pac-10 can try Georgia or Ohio State. Yeh, right, and on Sept. 1st , 2022, I saw a lady in a brand new white fiat mini-car on Highway 8 in Beaverton, Or. Her passengers included six football players from Portland State, and each one had a St. Bernard, full grown, on a short leash. I tried to pull out my cell to take a picture while driivng, but, in my haste, I could not find it as usually I leave it at home. My home phone, through comcast, is only 30 dollars a month with free long distance. It does not cut out like an 800 dollar smart phone. It has free voice mail, and even though in 1987 I thought I was a rock star because I had a huge Motorola cell, and nobody else had one! I am proud now, that none of my life is dependant on a cell, and I rarely use it. My car always has a full tank of gas and my cell is always fully charged. Would say fact check me on the fiat, but I have no picture of it. The only two times I saw Bigfoot, near Mt. Hood, I did not even have a cell or a camera. Maybe the pac-10 can join the Big Sky, and become the next big, super football league. Twenty powerhouse major football teams, all located very close to each other. My one man missles sometimes work. If you have a power generator, and comcast is showing football, can you get the game? How about a satellite dish? I could have an easier time communicating with my alien bros on planet XX, who do like football. A former football coach taught me how to first contactl them in 1990. Pretty cool dudes, and I showed them how to watch football Americano. As soon as they could figure out which team was on offense, they caught on fast. I know women from 20 to 90 who do not like football, as they do not understand what a football is made of. Just saw it will only be 110 degrees F in Fresno, Ca. on Saturday. No wind, and bad air quality. Perfect weather for a Beaver football team to lose a close one, only losing by 21. Jeff Tedford loves to beat any pac-12 team, especially one from Oregon. GO DUCKS
Next up for debate... How should the At Large teams be chosen? I'd like to offer one rule to follow. No 4th Place Teams! There is a reason that the Olympics award only Gold, Silver and Bronze medals. There is a reason that horse racing only pays for Win, Place and Show. No one cares about 4th place! No team that finishes 4th in its conference has a legitimate argument to make for inclusion in the playoffs.
They'll take the highest ranked teams that aren't automatic qualifiers. It will put a lot of pressure on the selection committee to get the first four teams right.
Just to be clear: will conferences automatically qualify their champions? And if so, they are then seeded by rank? Would this leave open the possibility that a conference champion, in theory at 9-3 or worse, could be ranked 13 but would be still given an automatic berth?
Is the Pac 12 (Pac 10?) still a top 6 conference after UCLA and USC leave? What if Oregon and Washington also leave? This idea that one conference can poach teams from another conference should be stopped by the same board/ commissioners. It creates havoc with 100 year old rivalries that are the essence of college football
Count me among the naysayers that a 12-team CFP will accomplish what people think it will. The one thing it will obviously do is what those presidents who voted for it truly want...make more money. And yes, there will be teams whose games would otherwise have been "meaningless" (since the playoff is now the end-all-be-all) that now will have more importance.
John, I specifically have to take exception with your comparison of the playoffs in professional sports. College football does not have mechanisms like a player draft to foster such parity. The Top 100 players in a given recruiting class tend to congregate, with few exceptions, at a very small handful of schools. There is simply no comparison between the gaps of the #1 team vs #5 team in college and the #1 seed vs #5 seed in the NFL playoffs.
What I think we're far more likely to see out of this than a cinderella team winning a title is a 2-loss Alabama/Georgia/Ohio State, who would have been left out of a 4-team playoff, get what amounts to a mulligan, make the field and stomp everyone on their way to a title. Then everyone who wanted to see different teams in the end will complain that this wasn't what they asked for.
All the rush of adrenaline we used to feel from seeing a #1 or #2 team go down in the regular season won't mean a thing. Remember when the Beavers beat #1 USC back in 2008? That loss kept them out of the BCS. Now, USC would just shrug over a loss like that.
Let's see, Since the ESECPN owns the NCAA, There will be at least 6 teams SEC teams.The fix is in
ESPN could end up as the Pac-12's partner.
I see this comment all of the time but there is no merit to the argument. The CFP teams have been selected by people independent of the networks.
Can you honestly say that the SEC teams that have qualified for the CFP got there unfairly and there were other teams more deserving? I don’t think so. (For the record, I am a UCLA alum.)
Is the SEC likely to place a higher number of teams compared to other conferences in an expanded playoff? It is likely but it isn’t because of EAPN bias. Look at the NFL draft for goodness sakes. Which conference do the top choices usually play in? The SEC. Is that because of ESPN, too?
It's just very interesting how two SEC teams in end up in the playoffs and never meet each other in first round. . And why 99 percent of the time that the championship game is in SEC state. Sometimes close to Alabama. And who broadcasts most of not all the bowl games? ESECPN. I remember when Alabama won a couple of yrs ago watching the next day Her he said" our reciever out ran theirs. Our this our that.
Let FOX broadcast it. See how it changes
Now, c’mon. Here are previous and future sites of the CFP Championship Game:
2015 - Arlington, Tex
2016 - Glendale, Ariz
2017 - Tampa
2018 - Atlanta
2019 - Bay Area
2020 - New Orleans
2021 - Miami
2022- Indianapolis
2023 - Los Angeles
2024 - Houston
So Atlanta and New Orleans are traditional SEC cities but that is it.
And, from attending the 2017 championship game (my daughter went to Clemson), I can assure you fan interest is much higher (and so are secondary market ticket prices) when the games are played in the South.
I fully expect Fox to soon cover the CFP games every few years but don’t think it will change the likely teams making that game. The talent is either in the South or it heads there from other places in the country.
As a fan, I understand that too. Until you have experienced a Saturday on a college campus in the South you won’t understand the passion those fans have for the game. West Coast football just isn’t the same from a passion perspective.
But there SEC states.Texas, Louisiana, Florida, and Georgia.
should happen asap. wish the Ducks could join the big boys before it is too late. the pac-12 is a weak conference and unless they get ESPN to give them large tv deal, they are doomed. for a long time. .
I think this is a plus for both the Pac-12 and Oregon. Knowing that the conference will have a participant every year and that the championship game will be a play-in for the CFP might make the TV rights more valuable.
As for Oregon, it would seem the path for them to get in regularly is to stay in the Pac-12, rather than try to win an 18+ team conference against the likes of OSU and Michigan, or hope for 1 of 6 at-large bids where you are also measured against SEC teams.
Whether or not that would be enough for UO to turn down a Big Ten invite, especially if the money is a lot better, I don't know. But if they stay in the Pac, they're in a good spot with this format.
Mr. Hard Count: The Pac-10 or pac-8 will not be in the final four, or even final 16, in football Americano in this decade. If there is no guaranteed spot if you win your league, like in college hoops, they are beyond doomed. Called money, and they soon will have less than they do now. Only real college football is found in the Big-10, SEC, and the ACC. If all the pac-10 schools banded their nickels and dimes together, in 5.834 years they could form one good team. Not sure which league would take them.
if ESPN does not step in with MILLIONS of real American dollars very soon, kiss the Pac-10 good by. One rocket scientist on here, says the solution is to invite Miami amd Florida State to take huge many million dollar pay cuts, and join the Pac-10! Really, Fact check me. I will not use his name; that is up to Mr. Canzano. I think he knows the author. Maybe Alabama would like to forfeit $100 million dollars upfront, in real American dollars, to join the conference of champions. If they do, then they can be a real football team, and make the final four once every 47 years instead of every year. If I ever hear Bill Walton call the pac-10 the conference of champions ever again, I will throw my glass of water at the tv, really. Over the years, I have donated just two tvs via this method. Maybe he did not mean football or basketball. Might have been competiitve cheer that the OSU Beavers are hoping to have within 8.935 years. Ducks have one now some Duck friend told me years ago. Do not mean any disrespect at all as I have been a die-hard Duck fan for about 60 years. My point is that football and basketball bring in millions each per year, and support all the other sports. Maybe if not Alabama, the pac-10 can try Georgia or Ohio State. Yeh, right, and on Sept. 1st , 2022, I saw a lady in a brand new white fiat mini-car on Highway 8 in Beaverton, Or. Her passengers included six football players from Portland State, and each one had a St. Bernard, full grown, on a short leash. I tried to pull out my cell to take a picture while driivng, but, in my haste, I could not find it as usually I leave it at home. My home phone, through comcast, is only 30 dollars a month with free long distance. It does not cut out like an 800 dollar smart phone. It has free voice mail, and even though in 1987 I thought I was a rock star because I had a huge Motorola cell, and nobody else had one! I am proud now, that none of my life is dependant on a cell, and I rarely use it. My car always has a full tank of gas and my cell is always fully charged. Would say fact check me on the fiat, but I have no picture of it. The only two times I saw Bigfoot, near Mt. Hood, I did not even have a cell or a camera. Maybe the pac-10 can join the Big Sky, and become the next big, super football league. Twenty powerhouse major football teams, all located very close to each other. My one man missles sometimes work. If you have a power generator, and comcast is showing football, can you get the game? How about a satellite dish? I could have an easier time communicating with my alien bros on planet XX, who do like football. A former football coach taught me how to first contactl them in 1990. Pretty cool dudes, and I showed them how to watch football Americano. As soon as they could figure out which team was on offense, they caught on fast. I know women from 20 to 90 who do not like football, as they do not understand what a football is made of. Just saw it will only be 110 degrees F in Fresno, Ca. on Saturday. No wind, and bad air quality. Perfect weather for a Beaver football team to lose a close one, only losing by 21. Jeff Tedford loves to beat any pac-12 team, especially one from Oregon. GO DUCKS
Next up for debate... How should the At Large teams be chosen? I'd like to offer one rule to follow. No 4th Place Teams! There is a reason that the Olympics award only Gold, Silver and Bronze medals. There is a reason that horse racing only pays for Win, Place and Show. No one cares about 4th place! No team that finishes 4th in its conference has a legitimate argument to make for inclusion in the playoffs.
They'll take the highest ranked teams that aren't automatic qualifiers. It will put a lot of pressure on the selection committee to get the first four teams right.
Last year we would have had 3 SEC teams, 3 BIG TEN teams, 2 BIG-12 Teams, 1 PAC-12 team, 1 ACC team, 1 AAC team, and Notre Dame.
I'm trying to figure out if having a conference championship game is going hurt or help
the Pac now that there's a pathway to the CFP. We could see the lower ranked team win
that game which would almost guarantee no other conference program would make the playoff.
When they say the top 6 conference winners that must include a G5 school?
Just to be clear: will conferences automatically qualify their champions? And if so, they are then seeded by rank? Would this leave open the possibility that a conference champion, in theory at 9-3 or worse, could be ranked 13 but would be still given an automatic berth?
Is the Pac 12 (Pac 10?) still a top 6 conference after UCLA and USC leave? What if Oregon and Washington also leave? This idea that one conference can poach teams from another conference should be stopped by the same board/ commissioners. It creates havoc with 100 year old rivalries that are the essence of college football
That's silly. Yes. Power 5 + 1.