Comparing the on the field football product between the Pac 12 and the Big 12...... Since 2010, the PAC is 23 and 43 against the Big 12, including 6 and 18 in bowl games
With every single reported projection and source concluding new Big12 media deal will be larger than the new PAC....And the latest low Media Offer made by ESPN, I dont see why the PAC members think they will be ok or getting any P5 institutions from any other conferences.
In any debate, (1) false analysis of facts and (2j superficial data manipulation are always tells of which participant is in the weaker position. Clearly the Pac-12 is in a much weaker and perilous position than the Big 12. That much is obvious.
There are programs that draw many viewers because of their excellence and interest. Even though the school itself comes from a small media market does not mean that the team itself is not a valuable asset for a conference. It seems a false assumption to say that the media market size is the end all. Even in a huge market, if a team 'stinks'...there will be little viewership either in person or through the media.
In Wilner's latest mailbag, he says the ACC grant of rights can end with a majority vote. I think it's in the best interests of Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA, Va Tech, NCState, Louisville, and Miami (or whatever 8 teams make the most sense) to end the GOR and create a new Coastal Athletic Conference with Oregon, UW, Utah, CU, Cal, Stanford, Zona, and ASU.
16 team conference. 7 division games, 2 vs the other division. Title game between the divisions. Some playoff caliber programs, some very good programs, and no awful programs. Huge markets on both coasts. Football all day on Saturday.
In every debate, superficial data analysis and information manipulation are both tells of which participant is in the weaker position. Clearly the Pac-12 is in the weaker and most perilous position. It’s not even close. I have no dog in this fight, but I do analyze finamcial data for a living.
The Pac-12 has some nice academic institutions. Take out USC and the last 15 years of Oregon football and they offer very little in terms of appeal (outside alumni base) and football sucess.
I have no dog in this fight but I completely agree with the logic expressed in this column. I too been unable to grasp exactly why the Big 12 is more valuable to the Pac-12? It just doesn’t add up.
I think the Pac-12 is going to add 2-4 teams from the Mountain West. I would imagine that San Diego State will be one of them and who knows who else? Boise State maybe? Colorado State? Air Force? It’ll be someone like that.
I still want the PAC-12 - other than SDSU - to offer to pull in SJSU, Fresno State, and Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, the State of Hawai’i itself doesn’t have that many households (less than half of San Diego) but there are Hawaiians all over the West Coast that would be additive to this number - much as the NY Giants can count part of FL in its market (we lived there - it’s a thing).
John's a smart guy and accomplished sportswriter. I enjoyed his thoughtful articles when he was with the Fresno Bee. The Bee was also a springboard for Andy Katz.
The question is not which conference is in the worst shape. The only question that matters is how do non-SEC/non-BIG programs keep up.
Expansion of the playoffs is coming. Unless the Pac/Big XII/ACC want to have at most one or two schools involved, they must figure out a way to close the gap. Most likely that means consolidation and losing the weak football/academic programs like WSU and OrSU and adding SDSU, TCU, Texas Tech, and UH. None of the other Big XII schools matter any more than WSU and OrSU. That Pac12, or whatever it's called, league would substantially improve the footprint. It's not just the local TV markets. It's the share of major regional markets. Lots of SDSU grads live in LA and the Bay Area, for example, just as lots of those Texas programs have alums in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc. Fresno State and Boise State bring weak academics, no recruiting, and limited incremental viewership.
The synergy of fan interest in a combined league could increase the viewership of all the programs, just like it helped Utah, and cutting out the weakest members would mean much higher $/school than the current Pac10.
Also the Pac12 at Night is slow motion suicide. It's at best a short-term, woefully insufficient paycheck. No one east of Utah watches it.
Dude, the Pac-12 just got offered $24.5M per school by ESPN -- well less than half what the Big 12 is projected to earn. The Pac 12 has obviously asked you and Wilner to write cheerleader articles like this since you both wrote basically carbon copies of each others' pieces, but all the wishful writing in the world can't cover for that G-5 level offer from ESPN. If the Pac -12 did stay together (it won't) the schools would all be in the red just like UCLA before long.
Comparing the on the field football product between the Pac 12 and the Big 12...... Since 2010, the PAC is 23 and 43 against the Big 12, including 6 and 18 in bowl games
With every single reported projection and source concluding new Big12 media deal will be larger than the new PAC....And the latest low Media Offer made by ESPN, I dont see why the PAC members think they will be ok or getting any P5 institutions from any other conferences.
Your team ever beat Alabama? 😂😂❤️
In any debate, (1) false analysis of facts and (2j superficial data manipulation are always tells of which participant is in the weaker position. Clearly the Pac-12 is in a much weaker and perilous position than the Big 12. That much is obvious.
John,
What are you thoughts on the ESPN media deal of only 24.5 million per school for the New Pac 10????
There are programs that draw many viewers because of their excellence and interest. Even though the school itself comes from a small media market does not mean that the team itself is not a valuable asset for a conference. It seems a false assumption to say that the media market size is the end all. Even in a huge market, if a team 'stinks'...there will be little viewership either in person or through the media.
Thanks for the hope, John.
In Wilner's latest mailbag, he says the ACC grant of rights can end with a majority vote. I think it's in the best interests of Clemson, FSU, UNC, UVA, Va Tech, NCState, Louisville, and Miami (or whatever 8 teams make the most sense) to end the GOR and create a new Coastal Athletic Conference with Oregon, UW, Utah, CU, Cal, Stanford, Zona, and ASU.
16 team conference. 7 division games, 2 vs the other division. Title game between the divisions. Some playoff caliber programs, some very good programs, and no awful programs. Huge markets on both coasts. Football all day on Saturday.
That's got to be worth more than the current ACC.
John, any more information on Big10 player demands on revenue sharing from TV funds to student athletes?
In every debate, superficial data analysis and information manipulation are both tells of which participant is in the weaker position. Clearly the Pac-12 is in the weaker and most perilous position. It’s not even close. I have no dog in this fight, but I do analyze finamcial data for a living.
The Pac-12 has some nice academic institutions. Take out USC and the last 15 years of Oregon football and they offer very little in terms of appeal (outside alumni base) and football sucess.
I have no dog in this fight but I completely agree with the logic expressed in this column. I too been unable to grasp exactly why the Big 12 is more valuable to the Pac-12? It just doesn’t add up.
I think the Pac-12 is going to add 2-4 teams from the Mountain West. I would imagine that San Diego State will be one of them and who knows who else? Boise State maybe? Colorado State? Air Force? It’ll be someone like that.
I still want the PAC-12 - other than SDSU - to offer to pull in SJSU, Fresno State, and Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, the State of Hawai’i itself doesn’t have that many households (less than half of San Diego) but there are Hawaiians all over the West Coast that would be additive to this number - much as the NY Giants can count part of FL in its market (we lived there - it’s a thing).
John's a smart guy and accomplished sportswriter. I enjoyed his thoughtful articles when he was with the Fresno Bee. The Bee was also a springboard for Andy Katz.
I don't agree with you I'll take the Big 12 amy day.
I still like the name. That’s all my comment was about.
The question is not which conference is in the worst shape. The only question that matters is how do non-SEC/non-BIG programs keep up.
Expansion of the playoffs is coming. Unless the Pac/Big XII/ACC want to have at most one or two schools involved, they must figure out a way to close the gap. Most likely that means consolidation and losing the weak football/academic programs like WSU and OrSU and adding SDSU, TCU, Texas Tech, and UH. None of the other Big XII schools matter any more than WSU and OrSU. That Pac12, or whatever it's called, league would substantially improve the footprint. It's not just the local TV markets. It's the share of major regional markets. Lots of SDSU grads live in LA and the Bay Area, for example, just as lots of those Texas programs have alums in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, etc. Fresno State and Boise State bring weak academics, no recruiting, and limited incremental viewership.
The synergy of fan interest in a combined league could increase the viewership of all the programs, just like it helped Utah, and cutting out the weakest members would mean much higher $/school than the current Pac10.
Also the Pac12 at Night is slow motion suicide. It's at best a short-term, woefully insufficient paycheck. No one east of Utah watches it.
Dude, the Pac-12 just got offered $24.5M per school by ESPN -- well less than half what the Big 12 is projected to earn. The Pac 12 has obviously asked you and Wilner to write cheerleader articles like this since you both wrote basically carbon copies of each others' pieces, but all the wishful writing in the world can't cover for that G-5 level offer from ESPN. If the Pac -12 did stay together (it won't) the schools would all be in the red just like UCLA before long.