I recall vividly watching Taggart at his initial press conference throw his arms out wide and exclaim to the gathered boosters and school administrators and media to "have a great day if you want to". His whole schtick left me feeling like the Ducks had just latched their wagon to a snake oil salesman. I tried to feel hopeful, but I just could never shake that feeling. And, frankly, I was both totally unsurprised and quite happy when he picked up and left at eleven months in.
Well, now I can only hope that this jury obeys his stupid catch phrase. I hope they "DO SOMETHING" to Willie that he never forgets.
I’ve seen Greg Kafoury at work in the courtroom firsthand. He can definitely put on a show. Agree this case will likely settle, for a very handsome sum of cash. Too much at stake for any of the defendants to admit wrongdoing.
Didn't the same problem arise several years back at Linfield or some Oregon High schools? Players with the muscle problems from over stressed workouts? Don't think those cases were litigated.
One search from 2010: " (CBS/AP) Three members of a high school football team in Oregon have been diagnosed with compartment syndrome, a rare soft-tissue condition that causes soreness and swelling in their triceps. The three were among at least 18 players from McMinnville High School who were sickened following a recent practice session. Five of the athletes were treated in the emergency room and sent home, according to the Associated Press. The others were admitted to the hospital and given intravenous fluids to maintain adequate hydration and prevent kidney failure."
I would like to know the juror's explanation for why he pursued an expensive law degree and was smart enough to pass the bar exam but he doesn't practise law.
U of O should counter sue for Brenner for missed blocks and dropped hikes.
When a kid shows up to camp extremely overweight and out of shape, that should be addressed before “making” him work out with the squad. Probably should have been cut from team.
Hindsight is 20 20.
That’s what sitting around drinking beer all day will do to ya’!!
First workout back from winter break with families after a disappointing season, Cheryl. Brenner was asked/expected to carry 300 pounds on him as a D1 o lineman. Ever done wind prints with that kind of weight on your body in an enclosed environment with no water or O2? Let alone what Taggart and Oderinde had them doing? This ignorant narrative so many are swallowing about “lazy,soft athletes” is extraordinarily disappointing. Radcliffe had been pushing big guys in that program for almost 3 decades without this trauma. Feld did it after Taggart to great effect without any of this. What happened here was borderline criminal, and almost certainly grossly negligent. And to accomplish what? To show that guys weren’t game-ready a week after Christmas? Reassess.
I'll give 20-1 odds the lawyers in this deal will get life changing paychecks. Is this really what our courts system should be dealing with now over three years when real criminal trials are backed up beyond belief? What a joke. Perhaps I should say 'jokes'. First off, only an idiot denies athletes water in any workout - if that really happened and the whole coaching staff watched it happen, shame on them all. Second, an additional $100 million in punitive damages against the defendant with the deepest pockets... it's not funny, but it is a joke. Third, 100 football players who have been through training camps for at least five previous seasons voluntarily keep going long after their bodies are telling them to stop? And only three push so hard they end up in the emergency ward? Anybody ever tell these adult men to say - No. Enough.? The inmates are running the asylum and there is full on all sides, but I fail to see why opportunistic lawyers and ex college athletes should reap a windfall here.
who's to say if they will reap a windfall? An athlete having a lifetime health changing experience resulting from negligently unsupervised over-exertion from workouts in a university led and taxpayer/privately funded athletic program does deserve some type of compensation...The un-said pressure of trying to make the starting lineup on a highly visible athletic team is incredible and is why those practices and workouts are supposed to be supervised by paid certified coaches & trainers. While no one knows how much if any monetary compensation will be granted, It's totally up to the jury to decide how much if any is due, And...they do not have to grant punitive damages. That is all up to the jury. or the defending parties to make an offer that's acceptable.
Well-said Coach. Taggart and Oderinde held positions of trust and supervision over athletes who were just meeting them on the field for the first time. Every joe six pack ridiculing these kids is missing the point and understands nothing about the intrinsic pressures to push one’s self, relying on coaches to push them in a safe, controlled, purposeful way. Everyone in a position of leadership failed here, and I hope coaches across the country are paying attention.
I'm not saying the coaches were not irresponsible. I'm saying grown men should be smart enough to know when to say no. Coddled athletes, pushed on by lawyers who opportunistically inflate lawsuits are a burden on our system of justice. The law firms bringing these suits should have to make a deposit to the court in the amount it will cost taxpayers and take that out of any settlement reached. These were not boys - full grown, college educated men. If any coach pushes them beyond what they think is safe - say no. As for the no water rule... pure stupidity all around to anyone who agreed to that.
So “grown, college-educated men” who may potentially be 17 or 18 years old are expected to walk away from a scholarship and a potential future and never be heard on the issue? The blame-shifting here is untenable notably when they weren’t getting paid and had no representation in the matter. THIS is the only avenue they had. As for the amounts pled, rest assured civil suits rarely result in a verdict for the total amount sought. But that is what the fact-finding and evidence presentation are for.
First off, Brenner was no 17 year old in 2017, he was 22 and in his 4th year at Oregon, so yes, college educated and old enough to know when to back off a workout that was too strenuous for him. He didn't have to walk away, he could just say, "Coach, I feel ill and I need water." If the team released him for that, he would have a case with the university for the balance of his scholarship. If not, so what, he got a free ride for three years. That isn't my main point though. I don't think our courts should be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and valuable time on frivolous lawsuits. If the idea is to ask for an outrageous amount so the insurance companies will pay off... do it privately, taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for the charade.
Respect, brother. I hear you re: judicial resources. The VERY slippery slope though is what we start labeling as “frivolous.” Full candor, this case strikes a chord with me cuz I was a college lineman. I know the sense of pressure of not letting anyone down. As to the value of what all this means, it sounds like that’s your main gripe. So trust the jury, yeah?
Nice hustle, JC. It was cool to have a look at what was happening in the courtroom.
Thanks Ken
I recall vividly watching Taggart at his initial press conference throw his arms out wide and exclaim to the gathered boosters and school administrators and media to "have a great day if you want to". His whole schtick left me feeling like the Ducks had just latched their wagon to a snake oil salesman. I tried to feel hopeful, but I just could never shake that feeling. And, frankly, I was both totally unsurprised and quite happy when he picked up and left at eleven months in.
Well, now I can only hope that this jury obeys his stupid catch phrase. I hope they "DO SOMETHING" to Willie that he never forgets.
I’ve seen Greg Kafoury at work in the courtroom firsthand. He can definitely put on a show. Agree this case will likely settle, for a very handsome sum of cash. Too much at stake for any of the defendants to admit wrongdoing.
Really will dictate future law suits.
Didn't the same problem arise several years back at Linfield or some Oregon High schools? Players with the muscle problems from over stressed workouts? Don't think those cases were litigated.
One search from 2010: " (CBS/AP) Three members of a high school football team in Oregon have been diagnosed with compartment syndrome, a rare soft-tissue condition that causes soreness and swelling in their triceps. The three were among at least 18 players from McMinnville High School who were sickened following a recent practice session. Five of the athletes were treated in the emergency room and sent home, according to the Associated Press. The others were admitted to the hospital and given intravenous fluids to maintain adequate hydration and prevent kidney failure."
I would like to know the juror's explanation for why he pursued an expensive law degree and was smart enough to pass the bar exam but he doesn't practise law.
This detail will not go on deaf ears of past D1 athletes & speaks to relationships between future D1 athletes, parents & coahes !
U of O should counter sue for Brenner for missed blocks and dropped hikes.
When a kid shows up to camp extremely overweight and out of shape, that should be addressed before “making” him work out with the squad. Probably should have been cut from team.
Hindsight is 20 20.
That’s what sitting around drinking beer all day will do to ya’!!
First workout back from winter break with families after a disappointing season, Cheryl. Brenner was asked/expected to carry 300 pounds on him as a D1 o lineman. Ever done wind prints with that kind of weight on your body in an enclosed environment with no water or O2? Let alone what Taggart and Oderinde had them doing? This ignorant narrative so many are swallowing about “lazy,soft athletes” is extraordinarily disappointing. Radcliffe had been pushing big guys in that program for almost 3 decades without this trauma. Feld did it after Taggart to great effect without any of this. What happened here was borderline criminal, and almost certainly grossly negligent. And to accomplish what? To show that guys weren’t game-ready a week after Christmas? Reassess.
I'll give 20-1 odds the lawyers in this deal will get life changing paychecks. Is this really what our courts system should be dealing with now over three years when real criminal trials are backed up beyond belief? What a joke. Perhaps I should say 'jokes'. First off, only an idiot denies athletes water in any workout - if that really happened and the whole coaching staff watched it happen, shame on them all. Second, an additional $100 million in punitive damages against the defendant with the deepest pockets... it's not funny, but it is a joke. Third, 100 football players who have been through training camps for at least five previous seasons voluntarily keep going long after their bodies are telling them to stop? And only three push so hard they end up in the emergency ward? Anybody ever tell these adult men to say - No. Enough.? The inmates are running the asylum and there is full on all sides, but I fail to see why opportunistic lawyers and ex college athletes should reap a windfall here.
who's to say if they will reap a windfall? An athlete having a lifetime health changing experience resulting from negligently unsupervised over-exertion from workouts in a university led and taxpayer/privately funded athletic program does deserve some type of compensation...The un-said pressure of trying to make the starting lineup on a highly visible athletic team is incredible and is why those practices and workouts are supposed to be supervised by paid certified coaches & trainers. While no one knows how much if any monetary compensation will be granted, It's totally up to the jury to decide how much if any is due, And...they do not have to grant punitive damages. That is all up to the jury. or the defending parties to make an offer that's acceptable.
Well-said Coach. Taggart and Oderinde held positions of trust and supervision over athletes who were just meeting them on the field for the first time. Every joe six pack ridiculing these kids is missing the point and understands nothing about the intrinsic pressures to push one’s self, relying on coaches to push them in a safe, controlled, purposeful way. Everyone in a position of leadership failed here, and I hope coaches across the country are paying attention.
I'm not saying the coaches were not irresponsible. I'm saying grown men should be smart enough to know when to say no. Coddled athletes, pushed on by lawyers who opportunistically inflate lawsuits are a burden on our system of justice. The law firms bringing these suits should have to make a deposit to the court in the amount it will cost taxpayers and take that out of any settlement reached. These were not boys - full grown, college educated men. If any coach pushes them beyond what they think is safe - say no. As for the no water rule... pure stupidity all around to anyone who agreed to that.
So “grown, college-educated men” who may potentially be 17 or 18 years old are expected to walk away from a scholarship and a potential future and never be heard on the issue? The blame-shifting here is untenable notably when they weren’t getting paid and had no representation in the matter. THIS is the only avenue they had. As for the amounts pled, rest assured civil suits rarely result in a verdict for the total amount sought. But that is what the fact-finding and evidence presentation are for.
First off, Brenner was no 17 year old in 2017, he was 22 and in his 4th year at Oregon, so yes, college educated and old enough to know when to back off a workout that was too strenuous for him. He didn't have to walk away, he could just say, "Coach, I feel ill and I need water." If the team released him for that, he would have a case with the university for the balance of his scholarship. If not, so what, he got a free ride for three years. That isn't my main point though. I don't think our courts should be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and valuable time on frivolous lawsuits. If the idea is to ask for an outrageous amount so the insurance companies will pay off... do it privately, taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for the charade.
Respect, brother. I hear you re: judicial resources. The VERY slippery slope though is what we start labeling as “frivolous.” Full candor, this case strikes a chord with me cuz I was a college lineman. I know the sense of pressure of not letting anyone down. As to the value of what all this means, it sounds like that’s your main gripe. So trust the jury, yeah?