It galls me to admit - assuming I am right - the conference will benefit financially if SC makes the playoff. So yeah, I'm rooting for them to beat Utah, holding my nose the whole way. And the more I think about it the happier I am they Trojans are leaving the PAC. They are rapidly becoming a de-facto pro team and with all that LA offers I cannot see it stopping. We know the NCAA has no teeth anymore.
Isn't this really about being competitive? Could Cal, my alma Mater, ever pay a coach $10M? And what does this say about the idea that football has anything more to do with a school's educational objectives or ability to compete academically than the absurdity of what college football has become? My fiancée was watching the Oregon-OSU game and gagging over both uniform's colors. When I told her that the Quacks get a new uniform for every game, meaning at least 1000 uniforms a year she wondered why a school would pay that money to football and not towards academics. I think $10M for a coach, NIL money, the transfer portal, TV rights competitions, USC and UCLA moving to play in the Midwest and East really gets down to the question whether academic schools need to play this game any more?
I had Cal season tickets so I am no naysayer about football, but I just wrote Chancellor Christ wondering if it isn't time stop chasing football and spending the money getting more Nobel Prizes like we have with Jennifer Doudna's in chemistry. $10M goes a long way to attracting academic talent and my degree is more valuable from the Nobel Prizes than any football NC's.
Riley’s Salary of $ 10 mil about equals Jonathan’s salary of & 3.75 mil, based on the actual cost of living differences between LA and Corvallis . Having lived in The Bay Area recently for 6 years , I can tell you for a FACT that a Corvallis Dollar buys about 30 cents . Living with our standard of living here in Oregon
Requires 3 times the same salary to live in LA, like we do here in Oregon. We moved back to the Oregon Ocean because of that ! This is no exaggeration , I can assure you !
Interesting. it would be fun to see salaries based on win totals. Can you imagine a world where coaches salaries are almost entirely based on incentive?
I love the analysis and what seems to be missing to me is the revenue side of the equation. Increased/decreased revenue from tickets sales, sponsors, bowl games etc… as a result of a coaching change (wins) would certainly effect the cost/win math. That said, I sure hope OSU does what it takes to retain Smith, and also gives him the budget to retain his assistants. Like most fans, I love to watch the team I pull for win and how efficiently they get there is an important factor in affordability and sustainability of the program.
I once attended a game at Autzen when the Ducks played San Jose State. The Duck quarterbacks name was Singleton. The final score was San Jose State 5, Oregon 3. And I thought they couldn’t do any worse. Saturday proved me wrong. Just sayin.
If you don't earn it you don't make it for long, except, of course, at Cal. David Shaw quit at Stanford because he realized he couldn't produce a winning team with the restrictions he was under and he was probably going to end up getting fired.
So what did Miami pay not-so-super Mario for their 5 wins? Also, I see Willie T. got fired...again. Poor guy is still collecting $300K per month from FSU for not working there anymore.
A couple of things:1) $5 million for food in a year outside travel and 1,000 uniforms in a year suggests they have more money than they know what to do with.
2) The year after Clemson won its first title I read that Clemson's alumni donations increased 50%.
3) UCLA's increase in money from joining the BIG is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the university budget. I'm an alum and know no one who is happy about the move. The drop in alumni donations is going to dwarf the new money they will get.
I once saw where, after the student-athlete learning center (the glass box one) was turned over to Oregon it was up the University to staff it, as well as maintain the grounds, etc. etc. I have heard as high as $10 mil to $20 mil is spent on the athletic department activities, "off the books," by the university. This number is probably an exaggeration, but I'm sure it's more than a "rounding" number. Anyone here really know anything about this?
Good work, John. I am pretty sure program success is proportional to the amount invested in it, with some significant variable being the quality of the coaches, both on and off field (recruiting), but then you should be able to identify and buy coaching quality. I am also thinking on the lines of price per player, especially the top 350 every year, or 1750 over a 5 year career of most players (the 4s and 5s, all seem to get a redshirt year along the way, now). Let's say only 4s and 5s, or those who work there way up to the quality level, are in line for NIL payments. Lets say Top 20 teams will recruit 8-16 per year and so will have from 40 to 80 such players on the roster, with the annual CFP programs closer to 60-80 such players, each, or pretty much all the starters and 2nd string. What does it cost in terms of an average NIL commitment to land and keep those players if the average NIL payout is $250K over the 5 years (I am assuming the published numbers are for a career, not per year)? It will cost $10M to $20M for player cost to field a Top 20 team in the near future, using my assumptions (Utah is already paying out $29K per player). This is on top of $10M for the HC and another $6-10M for the assistant coaching pool to say nothing of all the other travel type expenses you list, and not including capital costs for facilities, which seem to always be paid for by boosters. In any case, it is easy to get the cost of a Top 20 football program over $40M per year which means income for football must be over $70-80M for other school sports subsidies. How many programs generate $80M? That is right about the point where OSU is today. But top university sports programs have expense budgets well over $100M. How does OSU figure to get into that range? We know Oregon's plan which is to tap Knight's donor network. Does OSU have a similar plan to have a donor network to make up any difference plus capital improvements? How about "Crowd Funding"? I am not wealthy, but might pitch in $100 for a star player. If another 1000 did the same, we could make a difference. Here are the most expensive NIL payouts in football this year. Caleb Williams is making $2.4M per year!!!! https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/highest-paid-college-athletes-in-the-nil-era
Good news for Oregon: Reser's Fine Foods has offered to sponsor all future Duck 4th down conversion attempts.
I’d also like to see this with NIL. Utah built a team. USC bought a team. Which cracks under pressure?
It galls me to admit - assuming I am right - the conference will benefit financially if SC makes the playoff. So yeah, I'm rooting for them to beat Utah, holding my nose the whole way. And the more I think about it the happier I am they Trojans are leaving the PAC. They are rapidly becoming a de-facto pro team and with all that LA offers I cannot see it stopping. We know the NCAA has no teeth anymore.
After reviewing all those number$, my first thought is simply this; appalling.
How far will it go?
I cringe at the thought
GO DAWGS
Isn't this really about being competitive? Could Cal, my alma Mater, ever pay a coach $10M? And what does this say about the idea that football has anything more to do with a school's educational objectives or ability to compete academically than the absurdity of what college football has become? My fiancée was watching the Oregon-OSU game and gagging over both uniform's colors. When I told her that the Quacks get a new uniform for every game, meaning at least 1000 uniforms a year she wondered why a school would pay that money to football and not towards academics. I think $10M for a coach, NIL money, the transfer portal, TV rights competitions, USC and UCLA moving to play in the Midwest and East really gets down to the question whether academic schools need to play this game any more?
I had Cal season tickets so I am no naysayer about football, but I just wrote Chancellor Christ wondering if it isn't time stop chasing football and spending the money getting more Nobel Prizes like we have with Jennifer Doudna's in chemistry. $10M goes a long way to attracting academic talent and my degree is more valuable from the Nobel Prizes than any football NC's.
John.
Riley’s Salary of $ 10 mil about equals Jonathan’s salary of & 3.75 mil, based on the actual cost of living differences between LA and Corvallis . Having lived in The Bay Area recently for 6 years , I can tell you for a FACT that a Corvallis Dollar buys about 30 cents . Living with our standard of living here in Oregon
Requires 3 times the same salary to live in LA, like we do here in Oregon. We moved back to the Oregon Ocean because of that ! This is no exaggeration , I can assure you !
Rand W.
OSU”67 GiantKiller
Interesting. it would be fun to see salaries based on win totals. Can you imagine a world where coaches salaries are almost entirely based on incentive?
LOL 150k base and 12 mil ceiling.
I love the analysis and what seems to be missing to me is the revenue side of the equation. Increased/decreased revenue from tickets sales, sponsors, bowl games etc… as a result of a coaching change (wins) would certainly effect the cost/win math. That said, I sure hope OSU does what it takes to retain Smith, and also gives him the budget to retain his assistants. Like most fans, I love to watch the team I pull for win and how efficiently they get there is an important factor in affordability and sustainability of the program.
NIL numbers should be included here for complete comparisons...I'm not sure if those are known.
I once attended a game at Autzen when the Ducks played San Jose State. The Duck quarterbacks name was Singleton. The final score was San Jose State 5, Oregon 3. And I thought they couldn’t do any worse. Saturday proved me wrong. Just sayin.
If you don't earn it you don't make it for long, except, of course, at Cal. David Shaw quit at Stanford because he realized he couldn't produce a winning team with the restrictions he was under and he was probably going to end up getting fired.
So what did Miami pay not-so-super Mario for their 5 wins? Also, I see Willie T. got fired...again. Poor guy is still collecting $300K per month from FSU for not working there anymore.
A couple of things:1) $5 million for food in a year outside travel and 1,000 uniforms in a year suggests they have more money than they know what to do with.
2) The year after Clemson won its first title I read that Clemson's alumni donations increased 50%.
3) UCLA's increase in money from joining the BIG is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of the university budget. I'm an alum and know no one who is happy about the move. The drop in alumni donations is going to dwarf the new money they will get.
I once saw where, after the student-athlete learning center (the glass box one) was turned over to Oregon it was up the University to staff it, as well as maintain the grounds, etc. etc. I have heard as high as $10 mil to $20 mil is spent on the athletic department activities, "off the books," by the university. This number is probably an exaggeration, but I'm sure it's more than a "rounding" number. Anyone here really know anything about this?
If Utah wins Friday, send in the clowns. Muwhahahahahha
Good work, John. I am pretty sure program success is proportional to the amount invested in it, with some significant variable being the quality of the coaches, both on and off field (recruiting), but then you should be able to identify and buy coaching quality. I am also thinking on the lines of price per player, especially the top 350 every year, or 1750 over a 5 year career of most players (the 4s and 5s, all seem to get a redshirt year along the way, now). Let's say only 4s and 5s, or those who work there way up to the quality level, are in line for NIL payments. Lets say Top 20 teams will recruit 8-16 per year and so will have from 40 to 80 such players on the roster, with the annual CFP programs closer to 60-80 such players, each, or pretty much all the starters and 2nd string. What does it cost in terms of an average NIL commitment to land and keep those players if the average NIL payout is $250K over the 5 years (I am assuming the published numbers are for a career, not per year)? It will cost $10M to $20M for player cost to field a Top 20 team in the near future, using my assumptions (Utah is already paying out $29K per player). This is on top of $10M for the HC and another $6-10M for the assistant coaching pool to say nothing of all the other travel type expenses you list, and not including capital costs for facilities, which seem to always be paid for by boosters. In any case, it is easy to get the cost of a Top 20 football program over $40M per year which means income for football must be over $70-80M for other school sports subsidies. How many programs generate $80M? That is right about the point where OSU is today. But top university sports programs have expense budgets well over $100M. How does OSU figure to get into that range? We know Oregon's plan which is to tap Knight's donor network. Does OSU have a similar plan to have a donor network to make up any difference plus capital improvements? How about "Crowd Funding"? I am not wealthy, but might pitch in $100 for a star player. If another 1000 did the same, we could make a difference. Here are the most expensive NIL payouts in football this year. Caleb Williams is making $2.4M per year!!!! https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/highest-paid-college-athletes-in-the-nil-era