It remains baffling how OSU is so underfunded. They still are the biggest athletic program, along with WSU, in both the WCC and new PAC-12. Something stinks in Denmark, and I fear things will not get righted until change is made at the top. Barnes not allowing Tinkle to finish the season and then part ways with class, is a black mark on the University, while he didn't always have the best results he always carried himself with class and dignity and deserved better.
There just aren't any billionaire alums at Oregon State who love sports (takes $5-10M a year to field a top team, which is 1% of a billionaire's assets per year). We know one, but he apparently could care less about his alma mater's sports. His option. It is kind of amazing that Oregon State has not produced more business "lottery winners", but it hasn't. If you don't, you won't compete. As I say below: Life is not fair.
Good one! Did not even know there was a Wes Edens. I don't follow the Bucks. But he has his sports plaything. Why would he want another. And the NBA teams appreciate overtime for an "owner". He could never "own" the Beavers and so no payback
I can name at least 4 billionaire alums-Jensen, Edens, the Turk, and the wife of the owner of Panda Express. What we don't have is a salesman in the athletic departmemt!
Uh, 175 -205 over 12 years is not building a winner. And what about all those years before NIL and the transfer portal?
Nice guy. Bad coach.
The funding isn't going to cut it for any coach though. OSU is only funding football at $4 mil. Where is all the money going and how do the other WCC and future Pac 12 schools find the money to fund their progras at a higher level? They don't even have the $125 mil OSU got from the former members. The numbers just don't add up.
I thought "rev-share" was a percentage of revenue, its very definition. You don't just "get that up". It is 22% of revenue from media deals and the gate. Period. Maybe Coach Tinkle does not understand that. He might be confusing "rev-share" with NIL which is controlled by donors. If the Beavers could find a way to get revenue for basketball to $10M (I have no idea how that is possible in a 10,000 seat arena with mid-week games in a small town) then THAT would be $2.2M in rev-share. NIL would be what got the team budget over $5M (I think Top 10 is closer to $10M) to pay players and top coaches. The top players cost $2M a year, now. If a team has 2 or 3 of those and 5 or 6 others making $1M or less, there is the bulk of your team budget. To find a donor to make up the difference, about $8M / yr, is just about impossible at Oregon State, but probably not at Arizona, Michigan ($7M), Miami ($8M) or Alabama.
As someone who has been let go from jobs in the past for political reasons, with a lot smaller severance deal, I do not cry for Wayne or his situation. Life is tough. Things change and there are no guarantees. All those truisms. Wayne deserves whatever deal he gets financially. As someone a little older than him, I can let him know he will survive. Life goes on and retirement, or some consulting or scouting gig has its merits. The entire college sports world has been decimated by the big media companies trying to monopolize their sports content and pay a few teams a LOT of money so that there will be less teams for them to cover. Makes perfectly good business sense. But it is a rotten deal for people who have alma maters not among the Chosen Few. A big time Bball donor can get your program into the elite. But the Beavers obviously have none. The program is out of the hands of a coach. Future coaches will need a new formula to gather up cheaper players who can still play at the elite level. A thankless task
i hear ya, Brian. i've also been let go from a few jobs, none were 'for cause', budget cuts, etc. it stings. the financial struggle that follows for most average peeps that have lost their jobs is brutal and i'm no exception. while i think that Coach Tink is a good guy, he really is, he and other 'fired' coaches will never endure the financial hardships. i mean, JSmith gets sacked and is handed a bag containing $30 mil to go away?! i can tell ya, if my school district employer told me to go away tomorrow, sure, i'd be walking away with a bag, and it def would be empty...
Right on, Brian, back to what most of us keep saying, big money is ruining or has ruined college sports as we once knew it, there seems no going back. And yes, our mutual alma mater seems to be among those most suffering.
Good job with the interview, John. Tinkle had a tough time with some of his tenure (which he admits), but he led the program with class and produced some success. Hope he finds a program he can lead and help Tres get into coaching like he wants. And while NIL and the portal were not factors for all of his tenure, they are now. OSU's lack of success in these areas is the responsibility of athletic management. It has to change for the better or any new coach has no chance for better success than what we have had.
Very good interview. I could never question Coach's integrity or drive. I think he became a victim of some poor scholarship offers and the current status of these semi pro players. Most are NOT student athletes. The Beavs will never compete unless they commit more financially to the program. It seems most kids only care about what is in it for them. Sad.
Seemed like a good man and I always appreciated that he represented my Alma mater with class.
His tourney run was a complete aberration during the pandemic. Certainly unique circumstances that allowed us to flourish in an incomplete field. Length and dollars involved in his contract extension was absurd.
Goes without saying. When was the last time the Beavs had a Top 10 Bball ranking? Gonzaga is there every year. OSU bball has been barely Top 100 for decades, even before Tinkle
skipping classes in 1979/1980 to watch their BB practices was epic! their passing--a true art form. you don't see that much anymore in college hoops...
ah yes, the height of the Miller years, skipping classes for anything sports related was wonderful, certainly did my share of it back then, and yes, passing may be a lost art in these days of the hallowed 3-point shot and all
i had a Sociology class w/ Ray Blume and Steve Johnson. guess what? they rarely attended class! i remember Ralph yelling at players during practice if they dribbled the ball more than 2-3 times!
Mark Radford was usually present in a literature class I took. Never said a word, as I recall, but he attended. Not sure you would see many of today’s “student” athletes in class today. I recall waiting on the ramps of Gill, with thousands of fellow students, before the doors opened and rushing in to claim good seats for “The Orange Express”
well, I wasn't much of a player, 2 or 3 dribbles and I'd probably lose the ball, passing was a lot more fun, and yes it was certainly Ralph's emphasis ... so I wisely went into sports writing, rather than playing
Well, there was Slats Gill. But that was a LONGGGG time ago (our family friend and my JHS principal, Tom Holman, was recruited and played for Slats, twice (before and after WW2) and has a bit of history attached to one Oregon game when he scored 7 points in 10 seconds to tie the game and went on to help win it in overtime). https://democratherald.com/news/local/article_e9fb83c8-c1a1-57ed-827e-26177323797d.html
yep, too long ago, my father was at OSU during Gill's beginning years, in my younger years I listened to games with him on the radio and attended a few in the late 50s/early 60s, it dropped off after that when I attended and wrote sports, b-ball wasn't such a great cover then either, but f-ball was!
I was lucky enough to have Mr. Holman as my JR High principal, then he was promoted to the high school principalship when I moved on to high school. He was a good man, cared about all the kids.
Wayne Tinkle would be a far better AD than Scott Barnes. He represented OSU with class, unlike the current AD who is awful. Wishing Wayne the best in the future.
At 2 million in regard to revenue sharing…. You have sadly become a feeder program to the P4. The reason (and I think the only reason) girls athletics at G5 level may be able to compete with the P4 is because the revenue sharing gap isn’t as wide. Which is a sad blight on girls athletics at some level. But on another, the ladies play for the love of it more. And for the coach and program that has their heart. Then again.. Texas Tech bought a softball pitcher last year that took them to the show. So who knows how long the assumptive purity will last.
Women like the money as much as the men. In college, where fandom is less important than a donor or two that want a winner, women's NIL make equal men's. Even rev-share, which is percent of gate, might be comparable with a top lady's program
A WSU site, Cougfan.com, pretty good online publication, is giving David Riley the same free pass that Wayne Tinkle wants, lack of NIL. The media hasn't touched this, but WSU and OSU each received $125M from the lawsuit against the departing conference schools. This was money they hadn't had before. Some WSU fans are saying they need to pay off athletic debt, yes, I agree. But the name of the game in today's world is NIL. Why wasn't (or was it?) some of this money put into NIL at WSU and OSU? This needed to be done.
I've yet to read anything about what WSU and OSU are doing with these bundles of cash. If they didn't put some of this into NIL, why not?
I like what Jim Burns said. Nice Guy! Bad Coach! I never saw all the things he talked about in the interview on the court. He said all the right things in the interview and I left thinking he deserves to be happy because he has the right priorities. too bad none of that translated to the court other than the one year. I especially liked when he said that sacrificing for the team and playing for each other has given way to individual self promoting to boost portal and NIL value. I am a huge believer in the value of team sports and the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Wasnt it John Wooden who said " it is amazing what you can accomplish when no one cares about who gets the credit" Just look at the OSU womens team who overachieves every year.
We have a lousy athletic director who should be fired. What he should have done was use the $3 million dollars, from not firing Tinkle, added to the existing $2 million dollars, kept Tinkle for his final year on his contract, and went out and bought players to make the Beavers winners in basketball. The revenues from additional attendance would have recovered the $3 million. Unless we get winners in basketball and football, we don't have a chance. Furthermore, any businessman could cut $3 million dollars from the bloated atheltic department budget. I also noted the athletic department reported a $15 million profit last year. FIRE BARNES WHO IS A LOSER. I gave $250 per month when they were trying to raise money based on Brays jersey number of 44 and then found out about the phony deal where Bjornstad got canned. There isn't an alumni that looked at that deal that would have signed on to it.
How much responsibility belongs to prez Murthy for extending Barnes, with a raise, and sitting by and doing nothing? She's equally culpable. I was donating every month to Beaver football, then without any notice or explanation, the Dam Nation campaign was stopped along with my donations. I didn't realize it for months. Murthy is the CEO of OSU, she needs to own her share of this mess too.
This is very similar to WSU, where a fan site is saying Riley is hamstrung by lack of NIL. Some truth to that, but WSU is also one of the worst defensive teams in the country, and really bad on turnovers. That's coaching. I'm guessing the $125M they won in the lawsuit has been put into administrative salaries. Check out a staff directory some time, it's insane. Assistant video guys all over the place. Stop it. Put your money into your teams.
It remains baffling how OSU is so underfunded. They still are the biggest athletic program, along with WSU, in both the WCC and new PAC-12. Something stinks in Denmark, and I fear things will not get righted until change is made at the top. Barnes not allowing Tinkle to finish the season and then part ways with class, is a black mark on the University, while he didn't always have the best results he always carried himself with class and dignity and deserved better.
Spending too much on admin overhead. Starts with the AD salary but goes deeper.
Yep. Until Barnes is gone, nothing will change.
I wonder if Barnes confused Athletic DIRECTOR with Athletic DEPARTMENT when he said our spend would be in the top 25% of the Pac.
Exactly. Hiring donors family members for jobs that aren't needed and they aren't even qualified for is just the tip of the iceberg.
Do you have an examples? Please enlighten us.
OSU has one of the leanest departments in the PAC.
Wonder if he brought Huron in to try and get a blessing for that.
He did allow him to finish the season.
i think Sam's point was, sack Tink AFTER the season is completed, not with a few games remaining. what's the point? and it's just not nice, IMHO...
It is a trend in football that makes no sense in basketball, where the larger post season negates the advantage of a head start.
There just aren't any billionaire alums at Oregon State who love sports (takes $5-10M a year to field a top team, which is 1% of a billionaire's assets per year). We know one, but he apparently could care less about his alma mater's sports. His option. It is kind of amazing that Oregon State has not produced more business "lottery winners", but it hasn't. If you don't, you won't compete. As I say below: Life is not fair.
There's Wes Edens who is majority owner of MIlwaukee Bucks but for some reason nobody ever brings that up.
He has contributed, but prefers to do it on the DL.
Good one! Did not even know there was a Wes Edens. I don't follow the Bucks. But he has his sports plaything. Why would he want another. And the NBA teams appreciate overtime for an "owner". He could never "own" the Beavers and so no payback
I can name at least 4 billionaire alums-Jensen, Edens, the Turk, and the wife of the owner of Panda Express. What we don't have is a salesman in the athletic departmemt!
Uh, 175 -205 over 12 years is not building a winner. And what about all those years before NIL and the transfer portal?
Nice guy. Bad coach.
The funding isn't going to cut it for any coach though. OSU is only funding football at $4 mil. Where is all the money going and how do the other WCC and future Pac 12 schools find the money to fund their progras at a higher level? They don't even have the $125 mil OSU got from the former members. The numbers just don't add up.
I thought "rev-share" was a percentage of revenue, its very definition. You don't just "get that up". It is 22% of revenue from media deals and the gate. Period. Maybe Coach Tinkle does not understand that. He might be confusing "rev-share" with NIL which is controlled by donors. If the Beavers could find a way to get revenue for basketball to $10M (I have no idea how that is possible in a 10,000 seat arena with mid-week games in a small town) then THAT would be $2.2M in rev-share. NIL would be what got the team budget over $5M (I think Top 10 is closer to $10M) to pay players and top coaches. The top players cost $2M a year, now. If a team has 2 or 3 of those and 5 or 6 others making $1M or less, there is the bulk of your team budget. To find a donor to make up the difference, about $8M / yr, is just about impossible at Oregon State, but probably not at Arizona, Michigan ($7M), Miami ($8M) or Alabama.
As someone who has been let go from jobs in the past for political reasons, with a lot smaller severance deal, I do not cry for Wayne or his situation. Life is tough. Things change and there are no guarantees. All those truisms. Wayne deserves whatever deal he gets financially. As someone a little older than him, I can let him know he will survive. Life goes on and retirement, or some consulting or scouting gig has its merits. The entire college sports world has been decimated by the big media companies trying to monopolize their sports content and pay a few teams a LOT of money so that there will be less teams for them to cover. Makes perfectly good business sense. But it is a rotten deal for people who have alma maters not among the Chosen Few. A big time Bball donor can get your program into the elite. But the Beavers obviously have none. The program is out of the hands of a coach. Future coaches will need a new formula to gather up cheaper players who can still play at the elite level. A thankless task
i hear ya, Brian. i've also been let go from a few jobs, none were 'for cause', budget cuts, etc. it stings. the financial struggle that follows for most average peeps that have lost their jobs is brutal and i'm no exception. while i think that Coach Tink is a good guy, he really is, he and other 'fired' coaches will never endure the financial hardships. i mean, JSmith gets sacked and is handed a bag containing $30 mil to go away?! i can tell ya, if my school district employer told me to go away tomorrow, sure, i'd be walking away with a bag, and it def would be empty...
Right on, Brian, back to what most of us keep saying, big money is ruining or has ruined college sports as we once knew it, there seems no going back. And yes, our mutual alma mater seems to be among those most suffering.
Good job with the interview, John. Tinkle had a tough time with some of his tenure (which he admits), but he led the program with class and produced some success. Hope he finds a program he can lead and help Tres get into coaching like he wants. And while NIL and the portal were not factors for all of his tenure, they are now. OSU's lack of success in these areas is the responsibility of athletic management. It has to change for the better or any new coach has no chance for better success than what we have had.
Very good interview. I could never question Coach's integrity or drive. I think he became a victim of some poor scholarship offers and the current status of these semi pro players. Most are NOT student athletes. The Beavs will never compete unless they commit more financially to the program. It seems most kids only care about what is in it for them. Sad.
you nailed it, Andrew.
Seemed like a good man and I always appreciated that he represented my Alma mater with class.
His tourney run was a complete aberration during the pandemic. Certainly unique circumstances that allowed us to flourish in an incomplete field. Length and dollars involved in his contract extension was absurd.
Wish him well. Hope he gets the support he needs to win again.
I admire Tinkles grit and stand-up-guy ethos. And I wish him well.
Funding level at #8 in WCC? That is deeply concerning. Gonzaga and San Diego State will feast on the Beavs if they don’t step up:
Goes without saying. When was the last time the Beavs had a Top 10 Bball ranking? Gonzaga is there every year. OSU bball has been barely Top 100 for decades, even before Tinkle
yeah, nothing much going on there before or after Ralph Miller, he was the real enigma
skipping classes in 1979/1980 to watch their BB practices was epic! their passing--a true art form. you don't see that much anymore in college hoops...
ah yes, the height of the Miller years, skipping classes for anything sports related was wonderful, certainly did my share of it back then, and yes, passing may be a lost art in these days of the hallowed 3-point shot and all
i had a Sociology class w/ Ray Blume and Steve Johnson. guess what? they rarely attended class! i remember Ralph yelling at players during practice if they dribbled the ball more than 2-3 times!
Mark Radford was usually present in a literature class I took. Never said a word, as I recall, but he attended. Not sure you would see many of today’s “student” athletes in class today. I recall waiting on the ramps of Gill, with thousands of fellow students, before the doors opened and rushing in to claim good seats for “The Orange Express”
well, I wasn't much of a player, 2 or 3 dribbles and I'd probably lose the ball, passing was a lot more fun, and yes it was certainly Ralph's emphasis ... so I wisely went into sports writing, rather than playing
some things perhaps haven't changed that much for our "student athletes"
Pretty successful before Ralph also but Wayne was first after first year of Jimmy Anderson to get Beavs into NCAA
Well, there was Slats Gill. But that was a LONGGGG time ago (our family friend and my JHS principal, Tom Holman, was recruited and played for Slats, twice (before and after WW2) and has a bit of history attached to one Oregon game when he scored 7 points in 10 seconds to tie the game and went on to help win it in overtime). https://democratherald.com/news/local/article_e9fb83c8-c1a1-57ed-827e-26177323797d.html
yep, too long ago, my father was at OSU during Gill's beginning years, in my younger years I listened to games with him on the radio and attended a few in the late 50s/early 60s, it dropped off after that when I attended and wrote sports, b-ball wasn't such a great cover then either, but f-ball was!
I was lucky enough to have Mr. Holman as my JR High principal, then he was promoted to the high school principalship when I moved on to high school. He was a good man, cared about all the kids.
What’s reallly cool is nothing really matters.,,
and here's what's really cool about that:
https://tinyurl.com/3edb64pv
Wayne Tinkle would be a far better AD than Scott Barnes. He represented OSU with class, unlike the current AD who is awful. Wishing Wayne the best in the future.
At 2 million in regard to revenue sharing…. You have sadly become a feeder program to the P4. The reason (and I think the only reason) girls athletics at G5 level may be able to compete with the P4 is because the revenue sharing gap isn’t as wide. Which is a sad blight on girls athletics at some level. But on another, the ladies play for the love of it more. And for the coach and program that has their heart. Then again.. Texas Tech bought a softball pitcher last year that took them to the show. So who knows how long the assumptive purity will last.
Women like the money as much as the men. In college, where fandom is less important than a donor or two that want a winner, women's NIL make equal men's. Even rev-share, which is percent of gate, might be comparable with a top lady's program
Purity? In college sports? That boat sailed decades ago....
A WSU site, Cougfan.com, pretty good online publication, is giving David Riley the same free pass that Wayne Tinkle wants, lack of NIL. The media hasn't touched this, but WSU and OSU each received $125M from the lawsuit against the departing conference schools. This was money they hadn't had before. Some WSU fans are saying they need to pay off athletic debt, yes, I agree. But the name of the game in today's world is NIL. Why wasn't (or was it?) some of this money put into NIL at WSU and OSU? This needed to be done.
I've yet to read anything about what WSU and OSU are doing with these bundles of cash. If they didn't put some of this into NIL, why not?
I like what Jim Burns said. Nice Guy! Bad Coach! I never saw all the things he talked about in the interview on the court. He said all the right things in the interview and I left thinking he deserves to be happy because he has the right priorities. too bad none of that translated to the court other than the one year. I especially liked when he said that sacrificing for the team and playing for each other has given way to individual self promoting to boost portal and NIL value. I am a huge believer in the value of team sports and the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Wasnt it John Wooden who said " it is amazing what you can accomplish when no one cares about who gets the credit" Just look at the OSU womens team who overachieves every year.
We have a lousy athletic director who should be fired. What he should have done was use the $3 million dollars, from not firing Tinkle, added to the existing $2 million dollars, kept Tinkle for his final year on his contract, and went out and bought players to make the Beavers winners in basketball. The revenues from additional attendance would have recovered the $3 million. Unless we get winners in basketball and football, we don't have a chance. Furthermore, any businessman could cut $3 million dollars from the bloated atheltic department budget. I also noted the athletic department reported a $15 million profit last year. FIRE BARNES WHO IS A LOSER. I gave $250 per month when they were trying to raise money based on Brays jersey number of 44 and then found out about the phony deal where Bjornstad got canned. There isn't an alumni that looked at that deal that would have signed on to it.
How much responsibility belongs to prez Murthy for extending Barnes, with a raise, and sitting by and doing nothing? She's equally culpable. I was donating every month to Beaver football, then without any notice or explanation, the Dam Nation campaign was stopped along with my donations. I didn't realize it for months. Murthy is the CEO of OSU, she needs to own her share of this mess too.
Orange, you're messing up my narrative. You're supposed to be full of it all of the time, but here you are making sense! 😊
This is very similar to WSU, where a fan site is saying Riley is hamstrung by lack of NIL. Some truth to that, but WSU is also one of the worst defensive teams in the country, and really bad on turnovers. That's coaching. I'm guessing the $125M they won in the lawsuit has been put into administrative salaries. Check out a staff directory some time, it's insane. Assistant video guys all over the place. Stop it. Put your money into your teams.