He's won big everywhere he's been as a HC, and been a fantastic OC elsewhere. I think it's safe to say he's a great coach. I'm not a UW fan, but I'd be thrilled to have him as my team's coach.
Also, not sure if he's "lucky" to have Penix, considering he's the one who attracted Penix there, and helped make him what he is.
Mike, IтАЩm a UW fan and agree with everything you wrote. DeBoer track record before arrival on Montlake speaks for itself (heтАЩs 90-11 as head coach, but yes only 1 year in Power 5 level). I only hope UW can retain his services for a long time. Sad to see Cohen leave.
Mike, How can you say Jen Cohen 'just broke up the conference'. She did nothing of the sort!
Mr. Kliavkoff (GK) broke up the PAC10 (and probably the PAC12) with his inaction, failure to pick up the pieces Larry left scattered around, and his lying that he had the [Media remuneration] numbers. Do you recall at the most recent Media Day when the Colorado Rep had strongly requested GK bring those numbers to Media Day, and he did not do so? No, GK and all the Presidents of the associated PAC 12 universities that voted to hire GK - they broke it up! Perhaps we have to agree to disagree - so be it. Stay with the facts! Thanks & VR, J. Horvath
If you read the prior reporting you would know that (in the final hectic 24 hours a few weeks ago...) DeBoer feared that recruiting would be hurt by the streaming heavy Apple deal -- so Cohen and DeBoer decided they had to jump to the BIG TEN. Many mistakes made by GK and others made earlier. No doubt about that. But what finally killed the conference was UW jumping ship.
Revisionist history much? The Oregon DiscountDucks were shamelessly begging the B1G for inclusion before the ink was dry on the SC/UCLA deal. Beg-ging. UW to B1G was a UW/Oregon combo deal or nothing. At half price no less. Stop acting like UW killed the Pac bro/the Quacks are equally culpable
Not revisionist history-Mike is accurately reporting a major article that is out there.
This is a quote from the article in the LA times a few days ago:
"With the league clearly in crisis mode, the Big Ten began engaging again with Oregon and Washington, while the Big 12 was circling the Arizona schools and Utah.
Oregon and Washington were the key to keeping the league together, and the Apple deal had one very important Duck feather in its cap.
тАЬPhil Knight loved it,тАЭ a source said.
The Nike CEO whose millions helped build upstart Oregon into a West Coast power saw the potential that Kliavkoff was pitching.
After two days of reports circulating that the Ducks and Huskies were pushing to leave for the Big Ten, there was a sudden turnabout. Reports from multiple outlets said the Pac-12 presidents were intending to meet on the morning of Aug. 4 to sign their grant of rights with a 10th school to be added later replacing Colorado.
Ten minutes before the meeting was to begin, however, Washington informed the Pac-12 that it was leaving for the Big Ten. The possibility of playing no games on the major linear networks was too tough of a sell for Washington football coach Kalen DeBoer, two sources told The Times.
тАЬI give president [Ana Mari] Cauce and [athletic director] Jennifer Cohen a lot of credit, because these are not easy choices,тАЭ DeBoer told reporters after the move to the Big Ten was announced, according to the Seattle Times. тАЬBut just thinking years down the road, it came to a point where the resources that we need to be able to provide for our student-athletes тАж going to the Big Ten allowed for a lot of that.тАЭ
Once the Huskies left, the Ducks followed. The Arizona, Arizona State and Utah exodus to the Big 12 flowed naturally from there."
Except that the plane might have zombies in the washroom and eventually crash. You both are going to be receiving less money than the Four Corner Schools until the next contract negotiation. Essentially, you've placed a bet that the system that's in place now, will be the same or better seven years from now. That's a long, long time and a lot of things could change between now and then. For example, I'm reading rumors of Apple buying ESPN for $50B. Do you think that changes the equation a little bit with regard to streaming? I know that UO and UW are patiently playing the long game but absolutely nothing is guaranteed.
That's not true. UO/UW are getting more from the Big 10 than ASU/UA/CU/Utah are getting from the Big12 right away. I got that verified by a lawyer who directly negotiated the deal with the Big10. Originally it was less but the final deal was more than 10% higher short-term and full share when the next Big 10 TV contract is negotiated. The Big10 knew it was getting a discount so low balled at first, but Fox/Big 10 came around.
That is true. UO and UW and getting .50 on the dollar and then an additional $1M starting in 2025 until the end of the contract. This is what every outlet has reported on that deal:
"Unlike USC and UCLA, Oregon and Washington will not enter the Big Ten with full revenue shares. Sources told ESPN that both schools will receive approximately $30 million annually when they join the league, a share that will increase by $1 million during the current media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season. They then would be able to receive full shares. The other Big Ten members are expected to receive more than $60 million annually from the new agreement this year, an amount that will increase over the life of the deal. Previous Big Ten expansion additions Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland also did not receive full revenue shares immediately."
I'm sure you know better than the UO counsel that helped negotiate the deal. As you know media always reports the truth. He specifically told me last Thursday night UO/UW were getting $35M per year which seems more than the 4 Corner school deal, but I didn't read the contract myself.
Seems like it would be easy to get that information out in the open, particularly for Oregon's sake so it wouldn't look like they were getting ripped off on the deal. If so, why is it such a secret?
Every school that bailed on the PAC12 deserve disgust, fan contempt and disgrace. I hope none of them evrr accomplish a damn thing in any sport and the big promised payday never arrives. United you stand and divided you fall. Oldest story in the book.
Carol Folt was one vote. Apparently she had several supporters. Put all of them, too, on your "head of the line." Besides, if you wanted USC gone anyway, then you should be applauding her for making it happen.
Deboer is "lucky" to have Penix, Lanning is "lucky" to have Bo, Riley is "lucky" to have Fingernails Williams, and Wittingham is "lucky" to have Rising.
Actually, DeBoer was incredibly lucky that Penix was able to play a full season without injury for the first time in his college career. We'll see if that's the case again in 2023.
She still has a chance to unify, even more in her new psotion since USC is the Big Dog in the new conference realignment. She needs to think beyond football as there is alot of value in the other sports as well while she preserves USC's football cash cow.
"Big Dog in the new alignment"? You have got to be kidding! You know nothing about the B1G if you think that. They didn't lure USC to their conference to be the lead dog, only to contribute viewers to help their established leaders, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. USC is just another Wisconsin in the B1G
If USC hadn't said they'd go to the Big10 we'd still have the PAC as we knew it. The other place they could have gone for big money was the SEC but they woudn't have taken UCLA like the Big 10. Besides Fox drove this as much as the Big10.
FOX is a business to the benefit of Rupert Murdoch and his family, as well as shareholders looking for a profit. USC / UCLA are universities, and UCLA a public university, for the benefit of the People and CA taxpayers. You have to know who you serve in this world. The power brokers at these schools are serving themselves, not their constituents, which completely lacks in integrity. Larry Scott got that ball rolling and others have just picked it up. What they have done is indefensible for public entities propped up by tax payers.
Traveler is looking up at Brutus, Go Blue, and Penn State. Traveler will no longer be the lead pony showered with gifts like the Cali scheduling agreement.
DeBoer is incredibly lucky that Penix is at QB. Better to hold judgment for at least 2 more years. Maybe he's a great coach. Maybe not.
As for Cohen...
"Jen Cohen is a unifier. She brings people together. " Huh?
She DID just break up the conference. How you call her a unifier is beyond me.
Don't think that was a Cohen decision.
John, do you think the LA Times reporting suggesting it was a UW and not UO call in the end is incorrect?
I have no idea-just curious.
Wrong, wrong and wrong!
He's won big everywhere he's been as a HC, and been a fantastic OC elsewhere. I think it's safe to say he's a great coach. I'm not a UW fan, but I'd be thrilled to have him as my team's coach.
Also, not sure if he's "lucky" to have Penix, considering he's the one who attracted Penix there, and helped make him what he is.
Mike, IтАЩm a UW fan and agree with everything you wrote. DeBoer track record before arrival on Montlake speaks for itself (heтАЩs 90-11 as head coach, but yes only 1 year in Power 5 level). I only hope UW can retain his services for a long time. Sad to see Cohen leave.
Loved your caveat "but yes only 1 year in Power 5 level."
Mike, How can you say Jen Cohen 'just broke up the conference'. She did nothing of the sort!
Mr. Kliavkoff (GK) broke up the PAC10 (and probably the PAC12) with his inaction, failure to pick up the pieces Larry left scattered around, and his lying that he had the [Media remuneration] numbers. Do you recall at the most recent Media Day when the Colorado Rep had strongly requested GK bring those numbers to Media Day, and he did not do so? No, GK and all the Presidents of the associated PAC 12 universities that voted to hire GK - they broke it up! Perhaps we have to agree to disagree - so be it. Stay with the facts! Thanks & VR, J. Horvath
If you read the prior reporting you would know that (in the final hectic 24 hours a few weeks ago...) DeBoer feared that recruiting would be hurt by the streaming heavy Apple deal -- so Cohen and DeBoer decided they had to jump to the BIG TEN. Many mistakes made by GK and others made earlier. No doubt about that. But what finally killed the conference was UW jumping ship.
Revisionist history much? The Oregon DiscountDucks were shamelessly begging the B1G for inclusion before the ink was dry on the SC/UCLA deal. Beg-ging. UW to B1G was a UW/Oregon combo deal or nothing. At half price no less. Stop acting like UW killed the Pac bro/the Quacks are equally culpable
What a pile of turd blossoms...unbelievable mythology. You and Peter Rabbit hang much?
Your last sentence is precisely correct - the rest of your post, as usual, is ridiculous, sc...just completely fake news.
Not revisionist history-Mike is accurately reporting a major article that is out there.
This is a quote from the article in the LA times a few days ago:
"With the league clearly in crisis mode, the Big Ten began engaging again with Oregon and Washington, while the Big 12 was circling the Arizona schools and Utah.
Oregon and Washington were the key to keeping the league together, and the Apple deal had one very important Duck feather in its cap.
тАЬPhil Knight loved it,тАЭ a source said.
The Nike CEO whose millions helped build upstart Oregon into a West Coast power saw the potential that Kliavkoff was pitching.
After two days of reports circulating that the Ducks and Huskies were pushing to leave for the Big Ten, there was a sudden turnabout. Reports from multiple outlets said the Pac-12 presidents were intending to meet on the morning of Aug. 4 to sign their grant of rights with a 10th school to be added later replacing Colorado.
Ten minutes before the meeting was to begin, however, Washington informed the Pac-12 that it was leaving for the Big Ten. The possibility of playing no games on the major linear networks was too tough of a sell for Washington football coach Kalen DeBoer, two sources told The Times.
тАЬI give president [Ana Mari] Cauce and [athletic director] Jennifer Cohen a lot of credit, because these are not easy choices,тАЭ DeBoer told reporters after the move to the Big Ten was announced, according to the Seattle Times. тАЬBut just thinking years down the road, it came to a point where the resources that we need to be able to provide for our student-athletes тАж going to the Big Ten allowed for a lot of that.тАЭ
Once the Huskies left, the Ducks followed. The Arizona, Arizona State and Utah exodus to the Big 12 flowed naturally from there."
Thinking down the road? $$$$$$$$$$
The Ducks and UW both followed the money and would have stupid other than to take the last plane out.
Except that the plane might have zombies in the washroom and eventually crash. You both are going to be receiving less money than the Four Corner Schools until the next contract negotiation. Essentially, you've placed a bet that the system that's in place now, will be the same or better seven years from now. That's a long, long time and a lot of things could change between now and then. For example, I'm reading rumors of Apple buying ESPN for $50B. Do you think that changes the equation a little bit with regard to streaming? I know that UO and UW are patiently playing the long game but absolutely nothing is guaranteed.
That's not true. UO/UW are getting more from the Big 10 than ASU/UA/CU/Utah are getting from the Big12 right away. I got that verified by a lawyer who directly negotiated the deal with the Big10. Originally it was less but the final deal was more than 10% higher short-term and full share when the next Big 10 TV contract is negotiated. The Big10 knew it was getting a discount so low balled at first, but Fox/Big 10 came around.
That is true. UO and UW and getting .50 on the dollar and then an additional $1M starting in 2025 until the end of the contract. This is what every outlet has reported on that deal:
"Unlike USC and UCLA, Oregon and Washington will not enter the Big Ten with full revenue shares. Sources told ESPN that both schools will receive approximately $30 million annually when they join the league, a share that will increase by $1 million during the current media contract with Fox, NBC and CBS, which runs through the 2029-30 athletic season. They then would be able to receive full shares. The other Big Ten members are expected to receive more than $60 million annually from the new agreement this year, an amount that will increase over the life of the deal. Previous Big Ten expansion additions Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland also did not receive full revenue shares immediately."
I'm sure you know better than the UO counsel that helped negotiate the deal. As you know media always reports the truth. He specifically told me last Thursday night UO/UW were getting $35M per year which seems more than the 4 Corner school deal, but I didn't read the contract myself.
Seems like it would be easy to get that information out in the open, particularly for Oregon's sake so it wouldn't look like they were getting ripped off on the deal. If so, why is it such a secret?
Roll back the tape. It was Carol Folt who vehemently nixed taking in BIG 12 teams. That started the snowball rolling downhill with a good big shove.
She and USC were at the head of the line when it came down to the chain of events that ended up destroying the conference.
Every school that bailed on the PAC12 deserve disgust, fan contempt and disgrace. I hope none of them evrr accomplish a damn thing in any sport and the big promised payday never arrives. United you stand and divided you fall. Oldest story in the book.
Carol Folt was one vote. Apparently she had several supporters. Put all of them, too, on your "head of the line." Besides, if you wanted USC gone anyway, then you should be applauding her for making it happen.
Yes!!
Deboer is "lucky" to have Penix, Lanning is "lucky" to have Bo, Riley is "lucky" to have Fingernails Williams, and Wittingham is "lucky" to have Rising.
Funny how the real good coaches get so "lucky".
Yup, great coach most always has a great QB. Hand to glove
Actually, DeBoer was incredibly lucky that Penix was able to play a full season without injury for the first time in his college career. We'll see if that's the case again in 2023.
Agreed. He won with someone else's players. Time will tell
She still has a chance to unify, even more in her new psotion since USC is the Big Dog in the new conference realignment. She needs to think beyond football as there is alot of value in the other sports as well while she preserves USC's football cash cow.
"Big Dog in the new alignment"? You have got to be kidding! You know nothing about the B1G if you think that. They didn't lure USC to their conference to be the lead dog, only to contribute viewers to help their established leaders, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State. USC is just another Wisconsin in the B1G
If USC hadn't said they'd go to the Big10 we'd still have the PAC as we knew it. The other place they could have gone for big money was the SEC but they woudn't have taken UCLA like the Big 10. Besides Fox drove this as much as the Big10.
FOX is a business to the benefit of Rupert Murdoch and his family, as well as shareholders looking for a profit. USC / UCLA are universities, and UCLA a public university, for the benefit of the People and CA taxpayers. You have to know who you serve in this world. The power brokers at these schools are serving themselves, not their constituents, which completely lacks in integrity. Larry Scott got that ball rolling and others have just picked it up. What they have done is indefensible for public entities propped up by tax payers.
Traveler is looking up at Brutus, Go Blue, and Penn State. Traveler will no longer be the lead pony showered with gifts like the Cali scheduling agreement.