OSU, WSU, Boise State and Memphis typically live in the AP Top 25. A 5-year media deal worth $15M to $18M per school would be ideal. Add Gonzaga for MBB and the conference is formidable in both football and MBB. WBB is a bonus. Feels like an announcement is imminent. The Pac12 has been reborn! Up next: The return of Stanford and Cal to their true home.
The only reason to think it is geography and history. That seems to have little value at this point in time when the equation is heavily weighted toward $$$$, and affiliation with like minded academics.
Cal and Stanford are not going to return. They want their Olympic sports playing against the highest competition possible, which the ACC offers. Boise, CSU, Fresno, SDSU are NOT going to deliver consistently. I say let the Bay Area school rack up 20,000+ miles flying cross-country per sport.
No thank you to Cal, they were the one of the reasons SC bolted, voting down great ideas because of ridiculous academic standards or some other ludicrous standard
Berkeley leadership is a cancer better outside of the body
Haha. Want to drive viewership make Cal Fresno State a rivalry game. Cal - UCLA is like a $1 bet between the Duke brothers. Put a Fresno - Cal game on every year and you will drive viewership.
So question. If OSU, BSU, WSU and Memphis all play each other which 3 loss team ( assuming Fresno doesn’t give them another loss) would still be top 25?
Grab Memphis. Grab Tulane. Grab UTSA. Grab UNLV. Grab the MIGHTY GONZAGA BULLDOGS. Grab St.Marys. That is absolutely a $15m per school media deal. Real value. And as close to a,power conference as you can get at this time.
Be careful throwing dollar figures around. The market will dictate. Need to see which schools are in and what they're selling. Could be very interesting.
Check attendance figures from this year. Texas State and UTSA are drawing announced crowds for home games as large as WSU has for its home games this season. Now, I agree that that the TV viewership likely isn't there.
We will see. Could be they are left on the table. However, UTSA has already gone public that they are in discussions. And the valuations team helping the PAC clearly see opportunity with the market, worthy of courting.
15M won't do it Matt...we have to add UCONN, NAVY, ARMY (which will bring Air Force into the mix). If you took 18 of the best G5 schools, you get somewhere between 20-30M per school. Four Divisions, six teams per division, play 5 division league games and 3 cross over games to get to 8 league games...This would create a schedule worthy enough to be considered for not only the single placement we would have in the college football playoff, but it would also give consideration for the second best team (obviously a 1-loss team) to get in as well.
Army, Navy and UConn aren't joining the Pac-8, 10, 12. No offense, but some of these schools being tossed around don't bring much to the table from a TV standpoint. Isn't this whole thing a bit like when the old members of the WAC broke away to form the MWC?
Perhaps not, but should be explored because the G5's have no future without solidarity. James Madison should be added to the list, if these other programs do not see the merit in such a bold move. The level that the James Madison coaching staff is out-coaching and out-classing UNC is truly elite.
at the HALF...James Madison 53 - UNC 21...kind of makes the elite hype of the super conferences a mute point, as it has been every year. James Madison is 21-5 since moving up from the FCS, where they have been a semi-final/finals threat for the past decade before moving up:
Season results in the last decade:
2023: 11-2, lost in the Armed Forces Bowl
2022: 8-3
2021: 12-2
2020: 7-1 (Covid Year)
2019: 14-2
2018: 9-4
2017: 14-1 (FCS Championship game)
2016: 14-1 (FCS Championship game - Nat'l FCS Champs).
2015: 9-3
2014: 9-4
One truly amazing stat is their road record in the last decade: 44-11 (this is elite at ANY level) which also displays excellence over time. This is not just a good football school, it is an elite football school that is trending upward.
Located 131 miles from Washington DC, would capture the 9th largest TV market. If ARMY/NAVY do not want in the PAC G5 Alliance, would be a good school to add. They have made the NCAA hoops tournament 11 times, won FCS Lacrosse championship and softball has made the FCS College World Series.
$20-$30? What secret ingredient do you put in your cookie recipe? Taking the schools you named would be akin to adding San Jose St, Nevada, Wyoming from the Mt. West. The per school media value in the Pac would drop rather than go up.
Thought you were proposing Army, Navy, UConn. They would not take value from $12-15 up to $20-30. And, more programs to make it 18 would dilute it even further. Value could actually drop rather than go up.
Has the value of the BIG, SEC, ACC gone down when they have added teams? You have to add the right teams...those 24 teams are the right teams. They are the best of the rest connected to huge television markets. When those 24 are lumped together, it creates a power product. If they try to go it alone, they would only get 10-15 at best because there is a lot of dead weight they are carrying. If they consolidate, there is no dead weight.
The best of the rest creates the rest after the B1G, SEC, Big12 cherry picked. Lumped together, they are still the rest that those 3 and their affiliated networks didn't want the first time. If the rest consolidate, the percentage of dead weight goes up.
We agree to disagree which is great. UCONN hoops, SDSU hoops, Gonzaga potentially in hoops. Look at how salaries are inflated every year in professional sports. If you put 24 of the best G5 name brands to include the military academies, it would be worth more than 15-20 million per team, especially considering the competition within the television networks and the dire straights some of them are now in. If you have a great product, you can command a higher price. Let's just wait and see. I will say this, if each conference tries to go it alone, they will not get 20-30 million. It only happens if they consolidate the best into one unified conference.
UConn football sucks but it is exactly the kind of team you want in the East which is a doormat in football but wins you NCAA credits. If we go to 12 UConn would be a good add.
It's called competition my friend...there are a lot of media inputs that are now competing. If those 24 schools came together, you'd get at least 20M per team because they represent the top television markets in the Country.
As one of Canzano's recent guests said, TV markets seem not to sway much. It is the brand of the participants that attract eyeballs outside their home market.
I agree Tom. Why make our athletes fly the miles that the other former PaC-12 schools are forcing their "Student-Athletes" to do. Let's keep our time-zones tight.
I find it really interesting that Cal, Stanford and UCLA are all raked over the coals about travel. Yet the Pac 6 might add Memphis, New Orleans, and Orlando as conference members and not much has been said about it. They will be travelling as far as those three and ultimately getting less media deal revenue.
not really because there would be an east coast and west coast division...thus only 2 at the max travel games a year. Most programs already do this at present.
Well, if USF is in the mix, then with Oregon St, San Diego St, Fresno St, there would be four west coast teams. (USF in Tampa is the west coast of Florida)
I believe we can bank on a few knowns, 1. they won't twiddle their thumbs and believe like the former PAC 12 heads did, that all was rosy 2. that they will run away from any and all suggestions that they operate like the previous conference heads operated, 3. that the PAC Enterprises will leave behind San Francisco bloated lease payments and probably move to Las Vegas, 4. that they are now first in line for a media deal and will not let that slip away, that the media valuation while unknown, involves blood in the water as far as ESPN. FOX and others wanting the inventory in the Pacific Time Zone, 5. That unless a school has value to the existing members, they need not apply and they had better have plans underway to improve existing infrastructure. 6. that there are a lot of Youtube-podcasters full of Cr** in the endless output of so called insider knowledge.
Hard to believe Cal and Stanford are thrilled with the Pac-12 reboot. They got cold feet and signed on for about 33% of what other ACC schools get. What is that? Maybe $11 million? It would surprise me if the new Pac doesn’t get at least that per school. Plus Gould talks about setting a new standard for how conferences do business. I have to believe that’s means both a linear and streaming partner. Gotta believe Apple is interested. How about Turner losing the NBA? I’m very optimistic.
Cal would drop football before playing Fresno every year. People don’t realize Cal used to own the San Joaquin Valley from Fresno to Stockton in the 1950’s. Fresno State has largely driven them out of the valley and is carried by more popular radio stations in Modesto and Stockton.
Fresno has seriously cut into Cal’s owned market. Despite being the closest P5 school to Fresno, Cal has only played Fresno 3 times in their history and has a losing record all time.
I understand USF is supposedly holding out for the ACC, but how likely is that gonna happen? The PAC 12 would surely be smart to grab an Top 11 media market. If they extend the invite, I'd hope they'd say yes.
I live in Vegas. Former UofO wrestler under Finley. I will say these statements.
UNLV football has sucked!
However this season they are killing it!
I will bet that if UNLV football continues to be successful, NIL money will pour in from MGM, Caesars, and local businesses! The goal would be to fill up The Stadium. I think it will happen. I can see a path and with National powerhouse Bishop Gorman….bet on 5 stars staying home and going to UNLV. 50 million in NIL money to UNLV football pays dividends to casinos. Not to mention it gives locals a reason to go to the strip. I see this happening and fast. I also say that if UNLV keeps its powder dry for another season….they maybe dreaming of a better conference than Pac12. Maybe markets that will travel in mass to Vegas games and fill up rooms on alternate weekends to the Raiders. Way h it happen. Think Tark UNLV basketball in the 80’s where players were paid to play. It’s legal now. I see UNLV football as a future powerhouse built with casino cash to drive roommates and fill up hotels. Yes it will happen
1. Seems more logical to add Memphis with a semi-proximate geographic partner - Tulane? Not necessary for football, but very logical for hoops. Travel for a typical Thursday/Saturday (or even Sunday) road trip would otherwise be chaotic.
2. Gonzaga as a non-football member has never made great sense to me. But, on reflection, they’d add true value to a media deal, right? I’m still skeptical but softening to the idea. The WCC is a very solid upper-end mid-major, but all the realignment chaos makes this a bit more plausible.
3. JC, do you have any sourcing even hinting that Cal or Stanford would entertain coming back? ACC issued aside, both schools have large institutional egos. This version of the PACXX isn’t gonna what it used to be.
The only folks that talk about it aren't affiliated with Cal or Stanford. I think it is the same folks who proclaim Daniel Craig is coming back as James Bond.
You've got to go after Memphis and Tulane. They're the two strongest teams in the Group of Five. Not only does it strengthen the new Pac-12, it weakens the AAC and almost guarantees that the new Pac-12 will get the 5th conference championship spot in the playoff. Do it now.
There's lots of new information every time. You do not have to read it but many do care. I hope you enjoyed this morning's piece on the father-daughter.
Stanford and Cal are unlikely to be able to get out of the ACC unless there's some chaos. Also, skeptical that there will be academic alignment. But I'll bet the Pac-12 leaves some open seats anyway.
Stanford will not join a conference with Boise State and Fresno State in it. It is “beneath” their academic standards they say. Cal to. Besides they can’t do anything until the AAC issues are resolved and those are tied up in court.
I'm a little surprised they're not waiting to see what happens with the ACC implosion, but this looks like they're trying to get a head of it and secure the schools they want without competition. If FSU/Clemson/UNC bail to either SEC or B10, the ACC would be back in expansion mode.
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading previous comments. I was also thinking that if the ACC goes bonkers, Cal and Stanford could still be welcomed back home and the PAC-9 could become the PAC-11( or whatever the math works out to at that point.
Yahoo Sports reported this week there's a new revenue proposal in the ACC that could potentially resolve the lawsuits keeping the conference together. That implosion might not happen.
OSU, WSU, Boise State and Memphis typically live in the AP Top 25. A 5-year media deal worth $15M to $18M per school would be ideal. Add Gonzaga for MBB and the conference is formidable in both football and MBB. WBB is a bonus. Feels like an announcement is imminent. The Pac12 has been reborn! Up next: The return of Stanford and Cal to their true home.
Cal and Stanford return would require some chaos in the ACC. Not likely in this round. But you're not the only one thinking this.
The only reason to think it is geography and history. That seems to have little value at this point in time when the equation is heavily weighted toward $$$$, and affiliation with like minded academics.
Cal and Stanford are not going to return. They want their Olympic sports playing against the highest competition possible, which the ACC offers. Boise, CSU, Fresno, SDSU are NOT going to deliver consistently. I say let the Bay Area school rack up 20,000+ miles flying cross-country per sport.
No thank you to Cal, they were the one of the reasons SC bolted, voting down great ideas because of ridiculous academic standards or some other ludicrous standard
Berkeley leadership is a cancer better outside of the body
Haha. Want to drive viewership make Cal Fresno State a rivalry game. Cal - UCLA is like a $1 bet between the Duke brothers. Put a Fresno - Cal game on every year and you will drive viewership.
So question. If OSU, BSU, WSU and Memphis all play each other which 3 loss team ( assuming Fresno doesn’t give them another loss) would still be top 25?
Grab Memphis. Grab Tulane. Grab UTSA. Grab UNLV. Grab the MIGHTY GONZAGA BULLDOGS. Grab St.Marys. That is absolutely a $15m per school media deal. Real value. And as close to a,power conference as you can get at this time.
Be careful throwing dollar figures around. The market will dictate. Need to see which schools are in and what they're selling. Could be very interesting.
lol, I am overenthusiastc at the premise! Deep breaths. Will wait.
None of the TX schools have any history of fanbase that will actually support the teams. Leave them on the table
Check attendance figures from this year. Texas State and UTSA are drawing announced crowds for home games as large as WSU has for its home games this season. Now, I agree that that the TV viewership likely isn't there.
Wazzu game attendance has not been that good this year... Viewership is much better
We will see. Could be they are left on the table. However, UTSA has already gone public that they are in discussions. And the valuations team helping the PAC clearly see opportunity with the market, worthy of courting.
There are far better teams out there.. Don't think this brings up value in the future
St Mary's, yes / Gonzaga, no
They wouldn't even play the Huskies for the last 20 years, maybe once. And when they reach the final four, they melt.
Your knowledge of Gonzaga basketball could fill a thimble.
15M won't do it Matt...we have to add UCONN, NAVY, ARMY (which will bring Air Force into the mix). If you took 18 of the best G5 schools, you get somewhere between 20-30M per school. Four Divisions, six teams per division, play 5 division league games and 3 cross over games to get to 8 league games...This would create a schedule worthy enough to be considered for not only the single placement we would have in the college football playoff, but it would also give consideration for the second best team (obviously a 1-loss team) to get in as well.
4 divisions at 6 teams per is 24 not 18. Not sure if you meant 3 x 6 one Pacific, one central, one east.
how do you create an even schedule in a 3x6?
Army, Navy and UConn aren't joining the Pac-8, 10, 12. No offense, but some of these schools being tossed around don't bring much to the table from a TV standpoint. Isn't this whole thing a bit like when the old members of the WAC broke away to form the MWC?
Perhaps not, but should be explored because the G5's have no future without solidarity. James Madison should be added to the list, if these other programs do not see the merit in such a bold move. The level that the James Madison coaching staff is out-coaching and out-classing UNC is truly elite.
at the HALF...James Madison 53 - UNC 21...kind of makes the elite hype of the super conferences a mute point, as it has been every year. James Madison is 21-5 since moving up from the FCS, where they have been a semi-final/finals threat for the past decade before moving up:
Season results in the last decade:
2023: 11-2, lost in the Armed Forces Bowl
2022: 8-3
2021: 12-2
2020: 7-1 (Covid Year)
2019: 14-2
2018: 9-4
2017: 14-1 (FCS Championship game)
2016: 14-1 (FCS Championship game - Nat'l FCS Champs).
2015: 9-3
2014: 9-4
One truly amazing stat is their road record in the last decade: 44-11 (this is elite at ANY level) which also displays excellence over time. This is not just a good football school, it is an elite football school that is trending upward.
Located 131 miles from Washington DC, would capture the 9th largest TV market. If ARMY/NAVY do not want in the PAC G5 Alliance, would be a good school to add. They have made the NCAA hoops tournament 11 times, won FCS Lacrosse championship and softball has made the FCS College World Series.
UConn brings a ton from a basketball stand point.
$20-$30? What secret ingredient do you put in your cookie recipe? Taking the schools you named would be akin to adding San Jose St, Nevada, Wyoming from the Mt. West. The per school media value in the Pac would drop rather than go up.
read my latest article...wouldn't be taking any of those schools.
Thought you were proposing Army, Navy, UConn. They would not take value from $12-15 up to $20-30. And, more programs to make it 18 would dilute it even further. Value could actually drop rather than go up.
Has the value of the BIG, SEC, ACC gone down when they have added teams? You have to add the right teams...those 24 teams are the right teams. They are the best of the rest connected to huge television markets. When those 24 are lumped together, it creates a power product. If they try to go it alone, they would only get 10-15 at best because there is a lot of dead weight they are carrying. If they consolidate, there is no dead weight.
The best of the rest creates the rest after the B1G, SEC, Big12 cherry picked. Lumped together, they are still the rest that those 3 and their affiliated networks didn't want the first time. If the rest consolidate, the percentage of dead weight goes up.
We agree to disagree which is great. UCONN hoops, SDSU hoops, Gonzaga potentially in hoops. Look at how salaries are inflated every year in professional sports. If you put 24 of the best G5 name brands to include the military academies, it would be worth more than 15-20 million per team, especially considering the competition within the television networks and the dire straights some of them are now in. If you have a great product, you can command a higher price. Let's just wait and see. I will say this, if each conference tries to go it alone, they will not get 20-30 million. It only happens if they consolidate the best into one unified conference.
UConn football sucks but it is exactly the kind of team you want in the East which is a doormat in football but wins you NCAA credits. If we go to 12 UConn would be a good add.
It's called competition my friend...there are a lot of media inputs that are now competing. If those 24 schools came together, you'd get at least 20M per team because they represent the top television markets in the Country.
As one of Canzano's recent guests said, TV markets seem not to sway much. It is the brand of the participants that attract eyeballs outside their home market.
There's always this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4TeQd2H56I
Thank you for the update John…I’m starting to get sweaty palms!!! 🏈🏀
Feels like there will be news sooner vs. later.
😊👍🏈
Great article John. I'd like to see the conference stick with a west coast profile.
Memphis, Tulane, and south Florida just don't fit my mind's eye of what the conference image would best be.
I agree Tom. Why make our athletes fly the miles that the other former PaC-12 schools are forcing their "Student-Athletes" to do. Let's keep our time-zones tight.
I find it really interesting that Cal, Stanford and UCLA are all raked over the coals about travel. Yet the Pac 6 might add Memphis, New Orleans, and Orlando as conference members and not much has been said about it. They will be travelling as far as those three and ultimately getting less media deal revenue.
6 East Coast teams and 6 West Coast teams. 5 regional games and 3 traveling... Nothing like those traitors
What 6 East Coast schools? Everything I read says Pac gonna go to 9 or 10.
There is no specific number yet. Min 8, they like 9 better than 8 for scheduling, but they are open to all ideas right now
USF is Tampa not Orlando
My bad
Can't blame them for not knowing that. Who really cares. It's FLORIDA!! potatoe or potato? Oranges or tangerines.....they are both Eastern time zones!
Well the South Florida people care. Guessing OSU don’t want to known as from Eugene
Since they haven’t joined the PAC yet, there’s nobody to take over the coals.
there would be multiple divisions with minimal crossover games.
It’s Tampa not Orlando but those three cites are direct flights to them so not as bad as trying to get to some of those big ten and ACC cites
not really because there would be an east coast and west coast division...thus only 2 at the max travel games a year. Most programs already do this at present.
Well, if USF is in the mix, then with Oregon St, San Diego St, Fresno St, there would be four west coast teams. (USF in Tampa is the west coast of Florida)
I believe we can bank on a few knowns, 1. they won't twiddle their thumbs and believe like the former PAC 12 heads did, that all was rosy 2. that they will run away from any and all suggestions that they operate like the previous conference heads operated, 3. that the PAC Enterprises will leave behind San Francisco bloated lease payments and probably move to Las Vegas, 4. that they are now first in line for a media deal and will not let that slip away, that the media valuation while unknown, involves blood in the water as far as ESPN. FOX and others wanting the inventory in the Pacific Time Zone, 5. That unless a school has value to the existing members, they need not apply and they had better have plans underway to improve existing infrastructure. 6. that there are a lot of Youtube-podcasters full of Cr** in the endless output of so called insider knowledge.
Hard to believe Cal and Stanford are thrilled with the Pac-12 reboot. They got cold feet and signed on for about 33% of what other ACC schools get. What is that? Maybe $11 million? It would surprise me if the new Pac doesn’t get at least that per school. Plus Gould talks about setting a new standard for how conferences do business. I have to believe that’s means both a linear and streaming partner. Gotta believe Apple is interested. How about Turner losing the NBA? I’m very optimistic.
They had the opportunity to be a part of the rebuild, and they hard-passed on it.
They knew a rebuild was likely going to include the likes of Boise and Fresno and turned up their nose at the thought.
Cal would drop football before playing Fresno every year. People don’t realize Cal used to own the San Joaquin Valley from Fresno to Stockton in the 1950’s. Fresno State has largely driven them out of the valley and is carried by more popular radio stations in Modesto and Stockton.
Fresno has seriously cut into Cal’s owned market. Despite being the closest P5 school to Fresno, Cal has only played Fresno 3 times in their history and has a losing record all time.
Calford does not want to play state schools .
Stanford has scheduled Fresno on their future schedules but would never be in the same conference. Cal would drop football before playing Fresno.
I understand USF is supposedly holding out for the ACC, but how likely is that gonna happen? The PAC 12 would surely be smart to grab an Top 11 media market. If they extend the invite, I'd hope they'd say yes.
The ACC isn't subsidizing more schools right now. If you can't add no-brainer value, no interest. The market doesn't lie.
I suppose it all depends if you believe FSU/Clemson are going to be gone soon and the ACC will backfill .
I think they will jump to the PAC as long as Memphis and Tulane do. It’s the three of them or none of them from what I’ve been seeing.
Not sure it should be an all or nothing. But let's see.
Well here's to hoping all three join! It would be a very good conference
That gets you to nine, and let's go to market for the media rights. By not adding UNLV the Pac-12 can't be blamed for blowing up the Mountain West.
Why would they care about being blamed for blowing up the Mountain West?
The wisdom of The Eagles come to mind here:
And I found out a long time ago
What a woman can do to your soul
Aw but she can't take you any way
You don't already know how to go
USF is now an AAU school. The ACC is not unrealistic for them.
I live in Vegas. Former UofO wrestler under Finley. I will say these statements.
UNLV football has sucked!
However this season they are killing it!
I will bet that if UNLV football continues to be successful, NIL money will pour in from MGM, Caesars, and local businesses! The goal would be to fill up The Stadium. I think it will happen. I can see a path and with National powerhouse Bishop Gorman….bet on 5 stars staying home and going to UNLV. 50 million in NIL money to UNLV football pays dividends to casinos. Not to mention it gives locals a reason to go to the strip. I see this happening and fast. I also say that if UNLV keeps its powder dry for another season….they maybe dreaming of a better conference than Pac12. Maybe markets that will travel in mass to Vegas games and fill up rooms on alternate weekends to the Raiders. Way h it happen. Think Tark UNLV basketball in the 80’s where players were paid to play. It’s legal now. I see UNLV football as a future powerhouse built with casino cash to drive roommates and fill up hotels. Yes it will happen
Yeah I agree. But Fresno will still beat UNLV this year. But Casino cash and NIL will be a thing
Yea I am Duck fan but I see this UNLV going big time with gamblers cash
Congrats on Wrestling D1
1. Seems more logical to add Memphis with a semi-proximate geographic partner - Tulane? Not necessary for football, but very logical for hoops. Travel for a typical Thursday/Saturday (or even Sunday) road trip would otherwise be chaotic.
2. Gonzaga as a non-football member has never made great sense to me. But, on reflection, they’d add true value to a media deal, right? I’m still skeptical but softening to the idea. The WCC is a very solid upper-end mid-major, but all the realignment chaos makes this a bit more plausible.
3. JC, do you have any sourcing even hinting that Cal or Stanford would entertain coming back? ACC issued aside, both schools have large institutional egos. This version of the PACXX isn’t gonna what it used to be.
3.
The only folks that talk about it aren't affiliated with Cal or Stanford. I think it is the same folks who proclaim Daniel Craig is coming back as James Bond.
Go for Tulane, Memphis S Florida and UNLV, then wait to see if the ACC blows up
You've got to go after Memphis and Tulane. They're the two strongest teams in the Group of Five. Not only does it strengthen the new Pac-12, it weakens the AAC and almost guarantees that the new Pac-12 will get the 5th conference championship spot in the playoff. Do it now.
How many times can you write the same column? This is getting very repetitive.
There's lots of new information every time. You do not have to read it but many do care. I hope you enjoyed this morning's piece on the father-daughter.
This is a good article John :)
This morning’s was great. Strckhome
And what part of this article is repetitive?
95% is rehashing the same information that has been reported previously. A better question is what is the new information here?
Apologies if this has previously been discussed. But isn't Cal/Stanford in the discussion. And if not why not.
Thx
Stanford and Cal are unlikely to be able to get out of the ACC unless there's some chaos. Also, skeptical that there will be academic alignment. But I'll bet the Pac-12 leaves some open seats anyway.
Stanford will not join a conference with Boise State and Fresno State in it. It is “beneath” their academic standards they say. Cal to. Besides they can’t do anything until the AAC issues are resolved and those are tied up in court.
Well played, David; mine as well. Charlie
Let's build this up, PAC! Get on board and let's do this.
I'm a little surprised they're not waiting to see what happens with the ACC implosion, but this looks like they're trying to get a head of it and secure the schools they want without competition. If FSU/Clemson/UNC bail to either SEC or B10, the ACC would be back in expansion mode.
There's the old saying, "You snooze, you lose." Think they learned their lesson and are getting ahead of everything
Exactly what I was thinking as I was reading previous comments. I was also thinking that if the ACC goes bonkers, Cal and Stanford could still be welcomed back home and the PAC-9 could become the PAC-11( or whatever the math works out to at that point.
Yahoo Sports reported this week there's a new revenue proposal in the ACC that could potentially resolve the lawsuits keeping the conference together. That implosion might not happen.
It won’t stop it it will just delay it . The proposed new deal would end same time as big ten deal and I don’t think that is a coincidence.
We have to have a minimum of 12 teams and make it a TRUE PAC-12, and there are teams with market and would bring in strong competition.