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Let’s make sure Jody Allen gets nowhere near this project!

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Jan 30·edited Jan 30

I would pay to go to NHL games, even if it involved going down into Gaza...er... the Lloyd District/Moda Center/whatever it's called nowadays. Baseball? Don't care where it is situated, I'm not coughing up a penny. And putting it in the Washington Square area is sheer lunacy. 217 has been under construction since the Mayflower landed in Astoria. What makes anyone think they'll complete it any time soon?

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I've been a baseball fanatic for seven decades. I've lived in the Portland area for five decades. This will ultimately fail because PORTLAND IS NOT A BASEBALL TOWN. All this will do is ruin a very good municipal golf course and bring another at best so so sports franchise to the area. Remember when PDX tore up the best minor league ball park in the USA to please the soccer gods? I'll keep my Cardinals baseball hat and my Stan the Man, Bullet Bob, and The Wizard of Oz jerseys.

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I like baseball. I don't like MLB in Portland. If you are not the LA Dodgers, New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox say hello to a below average team. MLB doesn't work where in my opinion, the fan base are interested more in doing things outside rather than watching others do things outside particularly when the weather is nice. By eliminating Red Tail, the golfers in the community will lose another course and be forced to go further and pay more $'s. That area around Washington Square and 217 will be a complete clown show as far as traffic is concerned. I live in Washington County - I'm not supportive if asked. City of Portland should figure out how to clean up the city, but that is for another story on another day.

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I can’t think of a worse location for a stadium. Difficult location to get to combined with already horrible traffic on 217 and the adjacent side streets

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Jan 30Liked by John Canzano

"the purchase amounts to a $50 million infusion for a cash-strapped city." This made me chuckle. Portland has plenty of cash it just does not want to allocate if for greater needs. Greater needs like maintenance of existing little things like roads and park facilities.

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Why is this a good location John? 217 is already a mess and mass transit is minimal in this area plus it is surrounded on 3 sides by residential areas. There has got to be better options. I think the price is clouding everyone’s judgement.

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Why on God's green earth is Ted Wheeler still the mayor of Portland? The guy cuddles with Anarchists. Any planning that includes him will in all likelihood end up in failure due ignoring infrastructure shortcomings. Just watch in the next few years what will happen in Seattle when the Kraken season ticket base dries up. Getting in and out of the Seattle Center is brutal and the only reason Oak Tree was given the go ahead is they came up with a plan to salvage a dilapidated chunk of real estate in town with horrible transportation access. They ignored a much larger potential fan base by hard stopping the project near the intersection of I-5 and I-90 next to Lumen and T-Mobile Park. Trusting liberal leaders to make sound business decisions always fail as they get bogged down in menusha. Signed, Former Kraken Season Ticket Holder Living in Central Washington.

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Portland can’t even keep a Single A club around. Hillsboro needs a new stadium as well. Better off pursuing NFL to guarantee sellouts. I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m already in my 50s. Doubtful it’ll be in my lifetime, that another pro franchise lands in Portland, with all the red tape.

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I dont know that I could think of a worse spot if I was in danger of losing a toe. There is no max stop, the intersection at Hall and Scholls is already a mess and for peak traffic think of what the area is like at christmas for all those doing their shopping. Thats not even 20% of the traffic. Tell me how you get 30,000 people in and out of that area in a manageable way. Can we just let Portland be a one and a half major league sport town and support the teams we have and the semi pro college teams? If you love baseball so much go watch UP. They have a D1 team and a nice little park. Go down to Eugene or Covallis and watch even higher level D1 baseball. This is not happening and MLB is not expanding anytime soon. Tampa is going to stay in Florida and the A's are not coming here. Also the Mariners will not be in favor of any team moving to Portland and will vote against it.

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Okay taking bets on MLB to Portland 1500000000000 to 1. We each have a better chance of winning powerball 3 times in a row than this ever happening.

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The RedTail site is a horrible choice for myriad reasons: Poor access to public transit and no access to light rail. Little or no existing hotel or hospitality infrastructure. A surrounding neighborhood that makes the word "blah" seem exciting. On a typical, non-event day, you're looking at a solid 45-minute to one-hour drive from anywhere east of the river. Any way you look at it, the RedTail site is a huge cop-out.

I am a regular at RedTail. It is heavily played and the only public course on the west side. But let's be honest here—Portland city leadership has shown its distain for golf because it's perceived as a game for rich, white people. Not "inclusive" enough. Joann Hardesty made this clear when she proposed selling off one of the public courses near the airport and turning it into a homeless camp. Golf doesn't fit City Hall's vision for whatever they want their lawless, drug-addled shithole to become.

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Do not count me among the naysayers who maintain Portland is not a 'baseball town'. Seattle was no more a baseball town than Portland when it landed the Mariners - and the Mariners would be playing elsewhere if not for some strong-arming by politicians to arrange public funding for a new ballpark the voters didn't want approved. The Mavericks and Beavers, when Triple-A franchises, did pretty well at old Civic Stadium.

If memory serves: Portland is the largest market with only one 'major league' franchise; it is the largest market without an MLB team - and is larger than several markets which do have teams. Build a stadium with a retractable roof, with an owner or ownership group who has the resources and the will to field a competitive team and MLB will succeed in PDX.

Salt Lake is an interesting situation. If ever a market out-punched its weight, it's SLC. Hell, they hosted an Olympics; now they are (evidently) first in line for the NHL and their overtures to MLB make me ill - because in my view it should be Portland.

Finally: Might be time for MLB to PDX to update the website, which still shows images of a waterfront ball bark.

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Too little, too late. Plus, even now, it's not a sure thing. Compare that to the unified front the entire state of Utah, from the governor's office on down, has been presenting from Day One. I know because I've been following the situation up close. Unless something incredibly significant happens (i.e. Phil Knight getting directly involved), the two new franchises are going to be Salt Lake City and Nashville. Keep in mind that both the Portland and Wasatch Front regions have the same size population (approximately 2.5M people). However, Oregon is one of the few states that's losing people on a yearly basis while Utah is one of the fastest growing state in the US.

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I appreciate the optimism for MLB in PDX. But at this point SLC, Montreal, and Nashville have passed us by as if we were standing still.

Easy to blame the city of Portland, but it’s not the culprit here. The deal just doesn’t pencil out. We would have a bottom tier population to draw on with the PDX-Salem-Vancouver areas. We have an utter lack of companies that could or would shell out for luxury boxes. And the price of MLB games is long past being a value to entertainment option for most.

And Red Tail? Difficult getting to it on/off freeways, transit infrastructure non existence other than some trimet bus options, and really not an easy commute for anyone. I get that the plan would be a ballpark that drives an economic/entertainment zone, and I get that the Braves have done something as suburban in setting as this...but that is Atlanta with more than 3.5 million more people in the metro, lots of big corporate jobs, a long standing baseball tradition, and great transit to and from ballpark.

Red Tail ain’t that. And “zeroing in on a land purchase” for $50m is different than actually having acquired it.

I keep hearing that there are silent investors at the ready. Time to come out of the woodwork and show you aren’t just phantomware. Give us something to believe in here.

I was peripherally involved with the old SB3150 which has earmarked the $150m in tax to funding. And the effort to bring MLB to PDX doesn’t appear as if it’s even run out a ground ball since then.

And is PDX ready to put 25,000 butts in seats, on a 45 degree night in early April with drizzly rain, knowing it’s an hour commute in and out of Red Tail, to watch the PDX whatever’s play the Kansas City Royals? Yes, sure the hardcore fans will be there, but Joey Bagodonuts and his family won’t be.

And we haven’t even started talking about the Seattle Mariners strong opposition to this, as they have claimed PDX as their territory and would need strong compensation to back off that position.

I love the dream. I love the ambition. I would love to be wrong. I would love to go to a dozen games a year.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer.

It’s time to put the cards on the table if this is real.

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I'm pro-baseball to Portland; however, as a property owner on Hall Blvd I advise against a proposed baseball stadium and entertainment district in place of Redtail. As other commenters have mentioned, a stadium of this size needs easy entry and exit. Scholls Ferry Road, Hall Blvd and Oleson Road RIGHT NOW don't have the capacity for the current traffic levels, let alone 25-30k more people in the area 81 days/nights of the year. Also the current construction on HWY 217 leaves much to be desired, but I'm willing to see what it looks like when finished. I hope the Portland Diamond Project and John acknowledge these realities and advocate for a stadium district in a different part of the Portland Metropolitan Area.

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