Some of the worst critics seem to find the worst “facts” and then suggest more negatives--Tinkle didn’t take responsibility for last year’s awful season? Really? Did he have to fall on his sword a few more times?
The pandemic changed lots of things--and the portal has really altered collegiate athletics. Add in NILs and smaller programs like OSU are looking for answers to brand new problems with no examples to build upon.
It is easy to pound on Tinkle. There are also reasons for some to cling to the elite eight run. A few fans are decidedly impatient to a fault--which makes a true rebuild a tough task to complete. Wayne deserves better than he is getting. Only his contract gives him a little cover--very little.
What if they had a Pac12 basketball conference tourney, and nobody watched? That is us Directv folks in SoCal. Coach Tinkle in 9 years at OSU: 45 % win rate. Only 5 winning seasons above .500. Take away his awful 3 win season and his total OSU record is still under .500. Didn’t see him accept blame (editorial) for the awful season, in his comments to you John. Finally, no leadership example last year when he didn’t fly home with the team, after the Pac 12 tourney. Some blame on the AD as well, for this coaching/contract conundrum.
The game hasn't passed him by, but he has always struggled to recruit. When you don't have much, or at least enough, to work with, it limits your options, and can create the impression of being passed by.
Tinkle's teams have looked impressive in isolated, brief stretches, which wouldn't happen with a bypassed system. But depth, and more importantly, versatility and completeness of the squad, are lacking, and that comes back to recruiting and retention. Those areas are a constant challenge since Wayne arrived, and before.
The comparison with Dana Altman's relative success is valid, and in large part due to Altman's ability to both evaluate and recruit the right parts that will fit together. Tinkle''s recruiting is notable for his misses, and for not managing to get diverse pieces to fit together.
Unfortunately the Portal is not the panacea for every program. Case in point, Dana Altman has built his last two teams via the Portal. All they amounted to is a bunch of average college basketball players, at best.
Tinkle's Elite Eight run was 100% an inside job: his kid, Tres, and one of the two Thompson kids, Ethan, son of his assistant, Stephen Thompson. They were 2/5 of a decently talented team which included Jarod Lucas, transfer Alatishe, Zach Reichle and a so-so big man, Roman Silva. But a program cannot depend on insiders for long since they move on and there is nothing left behind. Tinkle has never shown any ability to recruit at Oregon State. Maybe he can find kids in the portal. But if he can't recruit high school kids to Corvallis why will he be able to get transfers there?
He recruited Drew Eubanks and Gary Payton II, who are in the NBA. Numerous other of his recruits are playing professionally overseas. And not every coach's kid decides to play for his father. You have to recruit them as well.
okay, Tres was gone that year. They got a lot of mileage out of him in his time there. It doesn't change the facts around the Beavers the past 9 years in terms of recruiting.
Prayers for the guy. The older I get, the more I want everyone to be successful and happy. Corvallis is a tough place to recruit to. And with NIL, the world at the D1 level looks darker for the have nots. Arizona pumps money into their program and it shows. Year after year.
The other thing to consider is that the Beavers all time win percentage isn't much better than Tickles (.565 vs .539). Perhaps an occasional tourney appearance is all that they are cracked up to be.
Read your Wanye Tinkle column late JC, good Job!. It was appropriate that you mentioned Tinkle's first year. To me that year clearly demonstrated his ability to coach. With 17 staright home wins with 5 of his guys coming from "walk-the-halls" recruiting.
He taught those 5 guys defense. You really can't teach offense, at least not like defense can be taught and his walk-ons performed adequately. Tinkle was so appreciative of their contributions and the fact that none of them had even a slim chance to make the following years tream, that he started those 5 guys the last game of the season playing them the first two minutes. That was a big time coaching job. One that should have warranted Coach of the Year accolades.
Tinkle is in precarious position now and his fate remains uncertain. (at least they did not get blown out by AZ ST last night) But make no mistake the guy can coach. If he does wath he needs to do with the transfer portal, he may survive.
Every school in the PAC12 mosh pit (all but UCLA or Arizona) has to be near-perfect in recruiting — HS, JC and transfer portal — and suit its playing style to its talent (which is harder than it sounds).
I don’t know Tinkle at all. But I do know that no OSU squad had won as many games in a single season as his Elite 8 team since 2011.
A little perspective here...at Cal we would die to be 11/20 with 5 conference wins :)
Some of the worst critics seem to find the worst “facts” and then suggest more negatives--Tinkle didn’t take responsibility for last year’s awful season? Really? Did he have to fall on his sword a few more times?
The pandemic changed lots of things--and the portal has really altered collegiate athletics. Add in NILs and smaller programs like OSU are looking for answers to brand new problems with no examples to build upon.
It is easy to pound on Tinkle. There are also reasons for some to cling to the elite eight run. A few fans are decidedly impatient to a fault--which makes a true rebuild a tough task to complete. Wayne deserves better than he is getting. Only his contract gives him a little cover--very little.
What if they had a Pac12 basketball conference tourney, and nobody watched? That is us Directv folks in SoCal. Coach Tinkle in 9 years at OSU: 45 % win rate. Only 5 winning seasons above .500. Take away his awful 3 win season and his total OSU record is still under .500. Didn’t see him accept blame (editorial) for the awful season, in his comments to you John. Finally, no leadership example last year when he didn’t fly home with the team, after the Pac 12 tourney. Some blame on the AD as well, for this coaching/contract conundrum.
( Tongue in cheek ) OSU will dominate Mountain West in 25
The Mt. West will be a step up in overall competition.
LOL, Thanks
LOL.
...guess they are getting a new staff too
Tink should be gone. The game has passed him & his recruiting skills! Go Ducks!!
The game hasn't passed him by, but he has always struggled to recruit. When you don't have much, or at least enough, to work with, it limits your options, and can create the impression of being passed by.
Tinkle's teams have looked impressive in isolated, brief stretches, which wouldn't happen with a bypassed system. But depth, and more importantly, versatility and completeness of the squad, are lacking, and that comes back to recruiting and retention. Those areas are a constant challenge since Wayne arrived, and before.
The comparison with Dana Altman's relative success is valid, and in large part due to Altman's ability to both evaluate and recruit the right parts that will fit together. Tinkle''s recruiting is notable for his misses, and for not managing to get diverse pieces to fit together.
The foundation is there. The absolute most important piece is keeping the players he has. The portal giveth and the portal taketh away.
Unfortunately the Portal is not the panacea for every program. Case in point, Dana Altman has built his last two teams via the Portal. All they amounted to is a bunch of average college basketball players, at best.
Hear what you're saying, but... Altman is the No. 4 seed. Oregon has length and athleticism... and in a down season has a shot at the NCAA Tournament.
Tinkle's Elite Eight run was 100% an inside job: his kid, Tres, and one of the two Thompson kids, Ethan, son of his assistant, Stephen Thompson. They were 2/5 of a decently talented team which included Jarod Lucas, transfer Alatishe, Zach Reichle and a so-so big man, Roman Silva. But a program cannot depend on insiders for long since they move on and there is nothing left behind. Tinkle has never shown any ability to recruit at Oregon State. Maybe he can find kids in the portal. But if he can't recruit high school kids to Corvallis why will he be able to get transfers there?
Tres was not on that team, ace.
He recruited Drew Eubanks and Gary Payton II, who are in the NBA. Numerous other of his recruits are playing professionally overseas. And not every coach's kid decides to play for his father. You have to recruit them as well.
I'd say you don't have much credibility here.
okay, Tres was gone that year. They got a lot of mileage out of him in his time there. It doesn't change the facts around the Beavers the past 9 years in terms of recruiting.
Here are the facts of that team: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/oregon-state/men/2021.html
Prayers for the guy. The older I get, the more I want everyone to be successful and happy. Corvallis is a tough place to recruit to. And with NIL, the world at the D1 level looks darker for the have nots. Arizona pumps money into their program and it shows. Year after year.
The other thing to consider is that the Beavers all time win percentage isn't much better than Tickles (.565 vs .539). Perhaps an occasional tourney appearance is all that they are cracked up to be.
Points to a larger problem.
And… Bust. But we’re stuck.
All the blame on everyone and everything else. At some point, it must be the coach.
Football, Baseball, Soccer, Gymnastics, Wrestling and XC got it going.
Hmm...
Goodbye Mr.Tinkle
Read your Wanye Tinkle column late JC, good Job!. It was appropriate that you mentioned Tinkle's first year. To me that year clearly demonstrated his ability to coach. With 17 staright home wins with 5 of his guys coming from "walk-the-halls" recruiting.
He taught those 5 guys defense. You really can't teach offense, at least not like defense can be taught and his walk-ons performed adequately. Tinkle was so appreciative of their contributions and the fact that none of them had even a slim chance to make the following years tream, that he started those 5 guys the last game of the season playing them the first two minutes. That was a big time coaching job. One that should have warranted Coach of the Year accolades.
Tinkle is in precarious position now and his fate remains uncertain. (at least they did not get blown out by AZ ST last night) But make no mistake the guy can coach. If he does wath he needs to do with the transfer portal, he may survive.
Tinkles excuses sound like another coach, ever hear of Anderson.
Gary or Jimmy?
Gary, it was meant for complaints about recruiting and the team not getting along, Coaches problems no one else to blame.
Every school in the PAC12 mosh pit (all but UCLA or Arizona) has to be near-perfect in recruiting — HS, JC and transfer portal — and suit its playing style to its talent (which is harder than it sounds).
I don’t know Tinkle at all. But I do know that no OSU squad had won as many games in a single season as his Elite 8 team since 2011.
Houston is #4